You sound slightly vaccinated.
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The video ‘The Final Experiment’ has been proven to be a total psyop - full of fake takes and financed and directed by the same dark scum who are hiding this massive lie. Using this video as ‘evidence’ is like quoting nasa hahaha
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Okay dikpik (anagram), I will do what you tell me.
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“The Final Experiment” wasn’t just a video. It was a trip to Antarctica that included 3 of the most prominent names in promoting the Flat Earth.
During that trip they filmed the 24 hour sun in Antarctica. They filmed the video cameras used to film the 24-hour sun in Antarctica. They live-streamed from Antarctica. The “Flat Earth” people who went with them agree with what they saw, what time of the year they went, etc.
It is extremely dishonest of you to pretend that didn’t happen, or that it was “financed and directed by the same dark scum who are hiding this”. And your constant need to resort to name-calling to promote your lies is telling in and of itself, i.e. that you are either unwilling or incapable of applying logic and common-sense.
The only psy-op here is the FE nonsense.
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I’m glad that this topic arouses so much interest.
The heliocentric and flat earth models are deceptions of the Jesuits of Rome, to hide the geocentric universe.
This video from Creation Science with Philip Stott show that the geocentric universe model of Tycho Brahe is the preferred choice with applying Occam’s Razor to decide between geocentrism and heliocentrism. 
Robert A. Sungenis, PhD wrote a book called ‘Geocentrism 101 – An Introduction into the Science of Geocentric Cosmology‘; first published in November 2013.
Here is a summary from the book:
The newest cosmological evidence puts Earth at the center of the universe, and this is admitted by man popular scientists.
Experiential evidence from over one hundred years ago to the present day shows the Earth is motionless is space.
Einstein’s Special Theory of Relativity was invented precisely to counter the many experiments in the late 1800s that showed the Earth was standing still in space.
Einstein’s General Theory of Relativity was invented to cover the weaknesses of the Special Theory, but in doing so the General Theory allowed the Earth to be motionless in the center of the universe.
In addition to Einstein’s General Theory of Relativity, other theories of physics, such as Newton’s law of motion and Mach’s Principle, say that a universe rotating around a fixed Earth is as scientifically valid as a rotating Earth in a fixed universe.
Every scientific proof for an Earth revolving around the sun has been discredited, and there has never been an experiment that has provided proof that the Earth is moving.
Recent data from satellite probes sent up in the 1900s and 2000s show that the whole universe is aligned with both the Earth-sun ecliptic and the Earth’s equator, showing that our universe is geocentrically oriented with Earth at the center.
Recent data from telescopes show that galaxies and many other celestial objects such as quasars and gamma ray bursts, are oriented around the Earth in concentric spheres.
Remember that “The Final Experiment” was final, you have no right to question it because it was final. I’ll say it again, this was the final experiment, it’s over, full stop.
Let this sink in for everyone, this was the ultimate experiment.
In case anyone didn’t understand, this was the final experiment, the final “Final Experiment”
I think we can close this topic since it was the “Final Experiment”
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“We’ve never gone past low earth orbit” ie - gotten past the firmament:
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After googling ‘‘quran if you can go beyond space’’, here’s what I found:
AI Overview
The Quran addresses the topic of potentially moving beyond the “regions of the heavens and the earth” in
Surah Ar-Rahman (Chapter 55), verse 33, stating that it can only be done with authority or power from God.
The verse, in various translations, reads:
“O company of jinn and mankind, if you are able to pass beyond the regions of the heavens and the earth, then pass. You will not pass except by authority [from Allah].”
Interpretations of this verse vary among scholars, focusing on different aspects of its meaning:
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Divine Authority and Predestination: Many classical interpretations suggest this verse is a rhetorical challenge highlighting the utter powerlessness of men and jinn to escape God’s authority or judgment on the Day of Resurrection. It signifies that all creation is encompassed by Allah’s power and decree.
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Scientific and Physical Exploration: In the modern scientific age, some contemporary interpretations link “authority” (Sultan) to the power, knowledge, and technological means (e.g., rockets and spacecraft) granted by God to achieve space travel. This view suggests that while space travel is possible through divinely bestowed knowledge and power, passing beyond the absolute confines or boundaries of the entire created “heavens” (often described as multiple layers or universes) is not possible without God’s ultimate sanction.
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A Challenge to Reflect: The verse and surrounding context are also seen as an encouragement to reflect on the vastness of creation and the greatness of Allah, reinforcing the understanding that human knowledge and abilities are limited compared to the Creator’s infinite power and wisdom.
Ultimately, the Quran indicates that any ability to go beyond the physical realms is dependent on the will and authority of Allah.
Enough said.
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Further googling ‘‘djinn struck by meteor shower quran’’ gives:
AI Overview
The Quran and accompanying Islamic traditions (Hadith and Tafsir) state that jinn attempting to eavesdrop on the “exalted assembly” of angels in the heavens are pursued and struck by
“flaming fires” or “shooting stars” (meteors/comets).
Key verses on this subject include:
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Surah Al-Jinn (72:8-9): A group of jinn are quoted as saying, “And that we tried to pry (the secrets of) the heaven, but we found it full of terrible guards and shooting meteors”. “And that ‘we would take up stations in the heaven to try to hear but anyone who now attempts to listen finds a shooting meteor in wait for him’”.
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Surah As-Saffat (37:6-10): These verses describe the nearest heaven as being adorned with stars and protected against “every rebellious devil”. Those devils trying to listen in are “pelted from every side” and pursued by a “burning flame, piercing (in brightness)”.
According to Islamic belief, these fiery projectiles (variously described as flaming stars, meteors, or comets) are a divine mechanism to repel evil spirits (Shayatin) and prevent them from stealing true information from the heavens and conveying it to fortune-tellers and sorcerers on Earth. This phenomenon is believed to have intensified with the advent of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him).
…Again, enough said, well, at least for mE…
That’s right, when a shooting star is being witnessed, does anybody even think of the above?
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My general understanding of the Flat Earthers in this discussion thread is as following:
1: The Bible is the primary source for the belief in a flat earth, many verse can be interpreted that way.
2: Organisations such as NASA are tools of Satan because this world is ruled by Satan
3: The heliocentric model is concocted for the purpose of promoting atheism
4: Flat earthers claim they can look in a longer distance than the curvature allows
There are more arguments, but these are the main ones. Three of them are based on religion and one is based on empirical experience.
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My problem with the first one is that I can’t quite comprehend the evidence from Bible verses. As I mentioned earlier in some Bible verses the earth is founded on pillars, then there are verses where the earth is founded on the seas, and there is the verse in Job where the earth is hanged upon nothing (I have not yet heard a flat earther about this verse Job 26:7). I have trouble in taken the Bible literally, I think that’s a modern approach. Because when is something literal and when is something metaphorical? The Bible describes the earth as God’s footstool:
Isaiah 66:1 (NIV): "This is what the LORD says: 'Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool. Where is the house you will build for me? Where is the place of my rest
Does God have feet (apart from Jesus)? Where is the footstool located? Is there a Flat Earther searching for it somewhere? It has to be somewhere right?
The following verse in the New Testament speaks of Jesus as a shepherd:
John 10:11: I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.
Are we really sheep? When I look in the mirror I don’t resemble a sheep.
The following verse speaks of God as a potter:
Isaiah 64:8: But now, O Lord, you are our Father; we are the clay, and you are our potter; we are all the work of your hand.
Now I am confused. A few moments ago I was a sheep and now I am a jug or something clayed (well we are made from dust, but I’m no jug right?)
The following verse states the words and wisdom of God is a lamp for my feet:
Psalm 119:105: Your word is a lamp to my feet and a light to my path.
Last time I checked my feet I haven’t seen a lamp there. Maybe that’s because of my foolishness. But I have checked other peoples feet all the time. I have asked many people if they had lamps on their feet, but I haven’t found no one yet.
Well, I can go on and on and on. My point is not to make fun of the Bible. Certainly not, I study the Bible a lot and it is a joy to study it. My point is, or my question is: why are some verses taken literally by flat earthers and other verses metaphorically? How can you discern? In my humble opinion the Bible is always to be taken in metaphorically. Because language in itself is metaphorical. The only literal things in life is the wordless things around you. A word is a symbol for something, so it is always expressing something invisible. God is spirit and invisible and when He speaks, He speaks things into existence. The existence of things are metaphors, images of God’s infinite mind. And when we speak, we speak about these images. The word literal is a modern deception that we can speak out the essence of existence, but we can’t. That’s why Jesus speaks in parables. That’s why Jesus couldn’t answer the question of Pilates: What is truth? Because Jesus IS THE TRUTH. Truth lives. Truth cannot be expressed in words, because words come from truth.
The stories in the Bible happened, but that is not the essence of believing. The essence of believing is seeing the invisible in these stories. Many believers are like Thomas who wanted to see the wounds of Jesus. But seeing the wounds of Jesus is not the point. Thomas had to believe in the meaning of the wounds, not the fact if ther are literally there. That is weakness. In fact it is the consequence of eating of the fruit of knowledge (and their eyes opened Genesis 3:7).
So taking Bible verses literally to prove a scientific statement is the slippery slope, because then you are cherry picking verses for your scientific views.
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The second argument that NASA and other organisations like NASA are Satans tools is maybe so. I agree with Flat Earthers that this world is ruled by Satan. I got called a NASA fanboy in this topic and others too, but that’s unfair. If an organisation is fraudulent, then there is no logical ground in approving the opposite from what that organisation is claiming. Imagine an evil dictator like Joseph Stalin, who is ruled by Satan. If Joseph Stalin says 1 + 1 = 2. Then he is right about that despite him being ruled by Satan. An evil person or organisation can still say ‘‘true’’ things. So this argument is weak in my opinion. NASA is a relatively young organisation and long before NASA someone like Aristotle claimed the earth is round (like a ball).
I think it’s unfruitful for the discussion to drag NASA into it. It has nothing to do with the shape of the earth, only in a secondary way. It has to be proven in a direct way, without calling NASA out.
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The third argument I see a lot is that the heliocentric model is concocted to lead people away from God into atheism. I can understand why this is stated and this is maybe the most convincing statement. The globe model is seen as following from the same ranks as the evolution theory (which I reject - I reject the evolution theory that is). But still the majority of christians (and muslims and jews too) aren’t believers of the Flat earth theory. I don’t even think most people are busy with the shape of the earth. Most of the time people follow a religion for guidance in their life and their life choices, not for a scientific explanation. If that is the case, I think that’s a pity.
And before the heliocentric model was mainstream, people weren’t following God either. I don’t think too much changed after the heliocentric model came into the mainstream consciousness. So in the end I have philosophical problems with this statement.
4: The fourth point from empirical evidence is problematic for me too. I have seen lots and lots of pictures and videos where I can clearly see boats vanish behind a horizon. See the picture underneath. You can find lots of them. How can you only see the sails of this ship?
Well, I have only made points about a few arguments, mainly the religious ones. I don’t want to convince a Flat Earther of a globe. I just wanted to express my viewpoints in a more philosophical manner. I really ain’t good at math, so I let that over to other people.
All the best to everyone. Love your enemies
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Are you a flat earther or a geocentricist?
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Our heavenly Father and His Handiwork remain a constant source of amazement, at least to me.
In the English language, we have separate words for the instrument that draws a circle and the circle itself. We also have a separate word for movement in a circular-shaped pathway.
The instrument that draws a circle is called a compass. The compass begins with one of its legs in the center of the circle and the other on the circle’s circumference, at a distance equal to the radius of the circle. The leg on the circumference is then rotated about the fixed, center-point of that circle, until it makes a complete (full) revolution.
A circuit is basically the same thing; only instead of using an instrument to draw a circle, it involves the movement of an individual or vehicle in the same manner; i.e. along the circumference of the circle. Completing the circuit involves a full revolution from a starting point along the circumference of a circle, and traveling along the circumference until arriving back at the same point, so that the beginning and the end point are the same.
Both the drawing instrument (compass) and the circular pathway traveled (circuit) denote rotation to form a circle. And a circle rotated about itself forms a sphere.
Unlike English, in the Hebrew language all three of these words are represented in a single word: chuwg (pronounced khüg). So in a single word, God told us that the Earth is not only spherical in shape, but that it is rotating about its axis. Amazing.
Isaiah 40:22 [It is] He that sitteth upon the circle (chuwg) of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof [are] as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
Job 22:14 Thick clouds [are] a covering to Him, that He seeth not; and He walketh in the circuit (chuwg) of heaven.
Proverbs 8:27 When He prepared the heavens, I [was] there: when He set a compass (chuwg) upon the face of the depth:
A sphere is the ONLY object that appears as a circle from EVERY direction. God Himself is the same from every direction and completely the same today, tomorrow and forever.
So in the most efficient means possible, God told us EVERYTHING we need to know about both the shape of this planet and also His Omnipresence. He is the Alpha and the Omega. The Beginning and the End.
Using the Hebrew word for “ball” (dur) to describe the Earth simply would not have worked because a ball is not necessarily spherical (e.g. American footballs, rugby balls, etc.) and likewise does not necessarily denote rotation like a compass and a circuit do. A ball is a child’s plaything, to be tossed around, and that is exactly how that word is used in Scripture.
Isaiah 22:18 He will surely violently turn and toss thee [like] a ball (dur) into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory [shall be] the shame of thy lord’s house.
EVERYTHING around us is in motion. It is God Who is the fixed, unmovable and unchangeable center of the Universe, and it is only when we are calm, unemotional and at peace, that we truly find Him and the answers to all of life’s questions.
Psalm 46:10-11
46:10 BE STILL, and know that I [am] God: I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth.
46:11 The “I AM” Lord of hosts [is] with us; the God of Jacob [is] our refuge. The rock.
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In this thread, I am a flat earther and overall, after examining all possible scenarios, from flat earth, heliocentric earth, concave earth, hollow earth, cellular earth, inverted sphere, geocentric, to my own concepts, I can describe myself in one sentence: “I KNOW THAT I KNOW NOTHING”
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Aha
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That’s right, an example:
I wanted to quote exactly what he wrote @AFreeman, but I can’t find this fragment.
In any case, @AFreeman will completely disagree with what I’m about to write.
These verses describe the sun rising up or going down; which proclaims that it is the sun that is moving, not the Earth:
The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose. Ecclesiastes 1:5
He made the moon for appointed times; The sun knows its going down. Psalm 104:19
From the rising of the sun to its going down, The Name of יהוה YHUH is praised. Psalm 113:3
These verses proclaim that the sun was moved backward ten degrees as a sign to Hezekiah that the Heavenly Father would add 15 years to his life.
“And Hezekiah said unto Isaiah, What shall be the sign that the LORD will heal me, and that I shall go up into the house of the LORD the third day? And Isaiah said, This sign shalt thou have of the LORD, that the LORD will do the thing that he hath spoken: shall the shadow go forward ten degrees, or go back ten degrees? And Hezekiah answered, It is a light thing for the shadow to go down ten degrees: nay, but let the shadow return backward ten degrees.” 2 Kings 20:8-11
“I am bringing the shadow on the sundial, which has gone down with the sun on the sundial of Aḥaz, ten degrees backward.” And the sun returned ten degrees on the dial by which it had gone down.” Isaiah 38:8
These verses proclaim that the sun stood still, which tells you that it is normally moving.
“Then spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon. And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day. And there was no day like that before it or after it, that the LORD hearkened unto the voice of a man: for the LORD fought for Israel.” Joshua 10:12-14
“The sun and moon stood still in their habitation: at the light of thine arrows they went, and at the shining of thy glittering spear.” Habakkuk 3:11
Everyone can interpret it in their own way.
Why did the sun stop? if the earth moves and the sun stands still?
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From our perspective on the surface of the Earth, the sun APPEARS to rise and set everyday. In the geocentric/egocentric model this is thought to be the sun actually moving across the sky, but this doesn’t fit at all with the FE model, which claims the sun runs a circuit about the Equator, 3000 miles overhead. Please note well there are NO references in the Bible to the sun “running its circuit” or “circling overhead” and yet this imaginary concept is front and center to the FE model, which cannot even offer any reasonable explanation as to how the sun actually rises and sets.
In the heliocentric/sun-centered model, where the Earth revolves around the sun, the appearance of sunrise and sunset are the result of the Earth rotating about its axis in its orbit around the sun. The part of the Earth facing the sun receives its light while the opposite side is in darkness. Pretty basic concept.
The passage that describes “Joshua’s longest day”, in its entirety, is included below for convenience.
Joshua 10:12-14
10:12 Then spoke Joshua to the “I AM” in the day when the “I AM” delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon ; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon .
10:13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed , until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. [Is] not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.
10:14 And there was no day like that before it or after it, that the “I AM” hearkened unto the voice of a man: for the “I AM” fought for Israel .
If the Earth’s rotation were to be slowed or stopped, it would produce exactly the same effect described above where, from our perspective on the surface of the Earth, the sun APPEARED to stand still. The fact that the moon is referenced in this passage as likewise being visible and standing still is further indication that is exactly what happened. There would be no need to mention the moon otherwise, because the moon would be halfway around the world and completely out of sight if the sun and moon actually ran on a circuit 3000 miles overhead opposite of each other as the FE model claims.
Man made-up the FE model. Man then tries to explain the Bible using the man-made FE model. Unsurprisingly, the FE model fails to explain the simplest things, e.g. sunrise and sunset, because the FE model is a FRAUD and has NO basis in reality, as the Scriptures prove beyond any reasonable doubt.
EGO is an obvious anagram for GEO. The EGOcentric/GEOcentric model, where the entire Universe revolves around us, is overtly anti-Christ. That’s why Christ told us we MUST destroy our satanic egos DAILY or they will destroy us (Luke 9:23).
The Sun/Son centered model, where we rotate about the Sun/Son, is obviously a CHRIST-CENTERED MODEL. Christ is spiritually the Sun of Righteousness (Mal. 4:2) and The Light of the world (John 8:3), which is physically illustrated, from our perspective on the surface of the Earth, by the sun, which DAILY brings Life-giving Light to this otherwise dark world.
Malachi 4:2 But unto you that fear My name shall the Sun of Righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
One final and extremely vital note about Joshua’s longest day: the “I AM” fought for Israel because that’s exactly what He promised to do IF they kept The Law.
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Psalm 19:1-6 tells us that the sun is moving on the circular ecliptic, moving through the 12 constellations every year to tell the story of the Son of Righteousness, our Redeemer.
1 The heavens are proclaiming the esteem of God; And the firmament proclaims the work of His hand.
2 Day to day pours forth speech, And night to night reveals knowledge.
3 There is no speech, and there are no words, Their voice is not heard.
4 Their line has gone out through all the earth, And their words to the end of the world. In them He set up a tent for the sun,
5 And it is like a bridegroom coming out of his room, It rejoices like a strong man to run the path.
6 Its rising is from one end of the heavens, And its circuit to the other end; And naught is hidden from its heat.
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No, it doesn’t.
The entire passage is about Father (God, the “I AM”).
Psalm 19:1-8
19:1 <To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David.> The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament showeth His handywork.
19:2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night showeth knowledge.
19:3 [There is] no speech nor language, [where] their voice is not heard.
19:4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath He (God) set a Tabernacle for the sun,
19:5 Which [is] as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, [and] rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.
19:6 His (God’s) going forth [is] from the end of the heaven, and His (God’s) circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.
19:7 The Law of the “I AM” [is] Perfect, converting the soul: The Covenant of the “I AM” [is] sure, making wise the simple.
19:8 The Statutes of the “I AM” [are] right, rejoicing the heart: the Commandment of the “I AM” [is] pure, enlightening the eyes.
The correct pronoun for the sun that we see in the sky from the surface of the Earth is “it”, NOT “He”. The correct pronoun for Father (God, YHWH in Hebrew, or “I AM” in English) IS He.
Further, a tabernacle is a place of shelter, that COVERS an object of importance, as was done with the Ark of The Covenant.
Exodus 40:19-21
40:19 And he spread abroad the tent over the Tabernacle, and put the covering of the tent above upon it; as the “I AM” commanded Moses.
40:20 And he took and put The Covenant into The Ark, and set the staves on The Ark, and put the Mercy Seat above upon The Ark:
40:21 And he brought The Ark into the Tabernacle, and set up The Veil of the Covering, and covered The Ark of The Covenant; as the “I AM” commanded Moses.
When would the sun ever appear to be “covered”, from any spot on a supposed flat Earth, where it allegedly ALWAYS circles overhead?
NEVER.
And when would would the sun appear to be “covered” from (almost) any place on the surface of our spherical Earth?
When the Earth rotated to the point that it completely blocked the view of the sun, exactly as everyone on Earth witnesses every single day at sunset, the “end of the Earth day”. It doesn’t matter where on Earth they are located, except inside the Arctic AND Antarctic circles, where the sun doesn’t rise at the height of their respective winter seasons, and where it (the sun) doesn’t set at the height of their respective summer seasons.
I would be zero surprised to find out there are military secrets going on down in Antarctica - I’ve heard that as one approaches the continental ice shelf it’s not uncommon to be turned back by various military patrol boats. There were always rumors that both the Allies and the Axis established secret Antarctic presences during World War II, and I am fully prepared to entertain discussions about what is being kept from the public in Antarctica.
The ice shelf starts at about -60° latitude, though. At a balmy -30° latitude setting off from Argentina instead, with intent to circumnavigate the 30th southern parallel- do bring a coat though! - you’d be looking at nothing but a voyage through the international waters of the Southern Ocean in question, punctuated by stops in Cape Town and Tasmania/Victoria.
Just think of it, Kidkip. You - yes, you! - could be the one to disprove the Satanic hoax of planetary theory! A seafarer for Christian science, doing battle with the krakens and sea serpents beyond the edges of the map!
Can you taste the glory?
Go! For the good of the city! 
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