See Freeman - you are sooo locked into the accepted bullshit stories that you are unable to disconnect and gaze afresh at your realm. Thing is …..read my lips …..you do not know what the sun is - or the moon - or the lights in the firmament ….you only know what you have chosen to believe ….you have absolutely ZERO evidence to back up anything you say - using math or magic ….you are essentially mind controlled and endlessly sprouting stuff from the likes of the nasa freemasons ….whats the point of people like you trying to prove anything based on bullshit someone told you. But you can easily prove that the earth is NOT a spinning ball ….unfortunately you wont be wanting to burst your own bubble. Freeman hahahah
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Polaris star rotation night sky star trails timelapse NoDecay V06957
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This timelapse sequence shows a view of the sky from Santa Clarita, California, looking due North. Polaris (the North Star) is positioned roughly in the center of the frame and can be seen to draw a partial arc in the center of the other stars. Duration: about 9 hours from dusk until dawn. Generic description: This is full-length clip in lowered resolution for YouTube upload, providing content audition and evaluation. The actual resolution, clip-specific details and original raw files are available for licensed commercial use and download at JCMDI.COM in the Stock Footage section. Please refer to the catalog numbers listed above when searching for these clips at the site. Many other 4k, 2k, 1080p, 720p, and 480p (SD) format clips of time lapse, slow motion, clouds, sky, stars, jet trails, moon, hummingbirds, and nature stock footage are available at http://jcmdi.com/stockfootage/index.html The soundtrack is “Idnarepo Sodum” from the “TimeShift” CD by Technician (yours truly), album and single track available on iTunes: http://itunes.apple.com/us/album/time… full artist discography and CDs available at HTTP://technician.jcmdi.com Note: The audio and video material contained herein is copyright 2017 JCM Digital Imaging, however, you may download this footage directly from YouTube and use it free of charge in your own non-profit/non-commercial YouTube videos, school projects, etc. You may even monetize this material on YouTube. The full free usage policy and YouTube copyright notice/ad info can be found here (please read before using JCMDI material): http://jcmdi.com/stockfootage/faq.htm… http://jcmdi.com/stockfootage/faq.htm…
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Freeman hahaha - you just shot yourself in the foot AGAIN …please explain ….how is it possible that the ‘famous’ three stars of Orions Belt can have the same ‘angular diameter’ ‘no matter where you see this group of stars from, it is always the same size’ …..think about it Freeman - they tell us the three stars are separated by ‘light years’ hahaha - and then we have all this spinning and wobbling and travelling thru out galaxy and our galaxy expanding outwards etc etc etc …..now pleeeeeeeze explain how these three stars are forever fixed in your angular diameter of 4.5 degrees ….let me just help you out Freeman ….if we are moving as you believe, its fucking IMPOSSIBLE. Go on, break a leg.
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For those who are ignorant of the differences between tangential velocities (mph - miles per hour) and rotational spin rates (rpms - revolutions per minute), please consider the following FACT:
A 20’ diameter merry-go-round that has a rotational spin rate of 1 rpm would have a tangential speed/velocity at its perimeter of the merry-go-round of 62.83 ft/min (about 0.7 mph). Certainly a safe speed for a child to step off of the merry-go-round, without risking injury.
If we slow that merry-go-round speed down to 0.0007 rpm (1440x slower) – which is the same rotational spin rate of the Earth – its tangential velocity would be approximately 0.0005 mph. It would literally take the merry-go-round a full day to make one full revolution, just as it takes the Earth a full day to make one full revolution about its axis.
A child sitting on a merry-go-round that moved that slowly (one revolution per day) would be under the impression that it was literally sitting still.
This should hopefully illustrate in a very simple way that tangential speed (e.g. 1000 mph at the Earth’s equator) is IRRELEVANT in a closed system, and amounts to a rotational spin rate of ~ 0.0007 rpm.
No one on Earth is going to feel a rotational spin rate of ~ 0.0007 rpm, anymore than a child would feel it on a merry-go-round.
We just saw the circular motion that the stars made in the sky in the video previously shared, including Polaris, which itself formed a tight, circular pattern near the center of rotation as captured on film.
There are only two possibilities to explain that observation:
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The stars (or lights, or whatever one wants to believe the little shiny things are in the sky that God has told us are stars) are moving relative to the Earth; or
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The Earth is moving relative to the stars, i.e. the Earth is rotating about its own axis.
How can we be absolutely certain that it’s the latter rather than the former? Because of the circular motion and patterns of the stars themselves relative to the Earth, and the complete absence of Polaris in the Southern Hemisphere.
This is how utterly ridiculous and childish the flat-earth fantasy really is.
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Made 8 years ago…
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That’s your own personal perception. It does not mean that you’re right about it.
I could say the same applies to you.
To conclude, I have nothing to gain by trying to convince you to my belief because I don’t really think it matters more than believing in The Almighty, Who Can Truly Change any thing any how at any point in time. Enough said.
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Again incorrect as per you. Farewell! 
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EXPERIMENT SUGGESTION-If there are any drone pilots here, try this- Go down to a beach, launch your drone vertically upwards, and as it gets higher it should be able to see ships over the horizon, then make it descend vertically, and the ships should disappear over the horizon again, tell us what it saw..
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Below- here are some interesting pics of Eddystone lighthouse taken from Plymouth UK 22 miles away, maybe 22 miles is not far enough to show any curvature of the earth-
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Freeman (hahaha) please answer my previous questions to you regarding the forever fixed positions of Polaris …and your ‘shot to your own foot’ …that is the three ‘stars’ of Orions Belt …I’m waiting to see what insanity you are able to conjure. And just a point about your last rotational rant …is it not even faintly strange to you that, when we flew from Heathrow all the way ‘around the spinning ball’ to land in Australia, we felt not the slightest bit ‘out of kilter’ …its really strange too that the fairy tale of ‘gravity ‘must be variable depending on latitude …you know, the different spin rates that keep all that curved water from flying off into ‘space’ hahahaha ….Freeman - the floor is yours hahaha
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The Earth is a prison planet reform school for the criminally insane. And, exactly as prophesied, common-sense and understanding are hidden from the overwhelming majority of the inmates during these end-times (2 Esd. 5:8-10).
Further, as Mark Twain said, “it’s easier to fool someone than to convince them they’ve been fooled”.
In reality, there is no debate regarding the shape of the Earth. Based on the real, tangible evidence that we’ve been provided, it’s spherical in shape, just as ALL of the heavenly bodies we view from the surface of the Earth are (the sun, moon, other planets and stars, etc.).
Instead there are people who don’t understand what constitute evidence, that want to debate endlessly about things they know nothing about, to waste what precious time remains to learn humility, honesty and the rest of the Godly attributes.
If one objectively looks at the “evidence” of the alleged flat Earth, they find there is none.
Instead, people are fed information about what some fellow lunatic said decades or centuries ago (which is irrelevant), or why a minuscule amount of the surface of an ~8000 mile in diameter sphere appears flat (except for the mountains and valleys of course) for a short distance, while ignoring objects disappearing over the horizon, or the fact that we can’t see any objects that are hundreds miles across the surface of the Earth regardless of what magnification is used (because that view is blocked by the curvature of the Earth’s surface), or that the sun is exactly the same size from sunrise to sunset and no one has ever seen a flat disc or semi-hemispherical shape in the sky, either during the day or night. And then that information is passed on to others, as if it is some sort of Gospel Truth, when instead it’s nothing but a pack of lies that people like to tell one another, to keep their egos inflated.
If you have to redefine dozens of common-use terms just to try to make your opinions work in your mind, it should be a red flag that what you’re doing is dishonest and delusional. Governments, organized religions and court rooms have been doing exactly the same thing for centuries to deceive their unwitting customers/victims.
If every time you’re proven to be in error you ignore the inconvenient truth or double-down on the lies you’re peddling, that should likewise be a red flag that what you’re doing is dishonest and delusional. For years and years people pretending the Earth is flat told everyone LIES about Antarctica, even though they had no firsthand evidence for ANY of their claims.
Then a preacher from Colorado named Will Duffy organized a trip to Antarctica that included several people who had been promoting the flat Earth fantasy for years, and proved to them firsthand that there was indeed a midnight sun at the exact opposite time of year there’s a midnight sun inside the Arctic Circle. They had cameras filming 24/7, including cameras filming the cameras being used to film the fact that the sun never set, all of which should have put an end to this nonsense.
Instead of admitting their error, what did most people pretending the Earth is flat do? They doubled-down on the LIES, chose to bear false witness Will Duffy and those who accompanied him on that trip, including their fellow flat Earth fantasizers, proving they have no love for the Truth or their fellow human+Beings.
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For those of you who may not know that the same government that brought you NASA also brought you the CIA psychological operation colloquially known as “the flat Earth”, please review the video below, taking the time to investigate the referenced mind-control tactics employed by Eric Dubay.
There were several reasons for foisting “the flat Earth” psy-op on the public 11-12 years ago. It was certainly meant to distract a particular group of people from what was going on in the world at that time. Genuine but naive truth-seekers peeled off of their investigations of real world issues to look into this subject when a bevy of polished, intentionally deceptive videos hit the internet, along with the fraudulently mislabeled “200 Proofs Earth is Not a Spinning Ball” book that didn’t include a single proof of that claim.
The psy-op also helped divide the population yet again, and get them to argue with one another over something that nobody can change: the shape of the Earth. Just think about it.
Governments are stealing from us and murdering our loved ones every single day, all over the world, regardless of what shape it is. Can we do something about that? Absolutely. We could all UNITE to fight against that evil. If a million individuals showed up and occupied the Congressional building in Washington, D.C. or the Parliament in London, and were determined not to leave until we reinstated our Creator’s Law (under which being a politician or a lawyer or a priest, etc. is a capital crime), it would END the widespread suffering and injustice that most are experiencing under government tyranny. And it would end all of the needless, criminal wars that the corporate fictional governments are waging against we the people.
What we can’t do is change what shape the Earth is, regardless of how much the subject is argued. But it was never about the shape of the Earth anyway; it was a beta test to see how many they could dupe into believing something for which there is zero physical evidence.
And most importantly, the FE psy-op serves as a means to bury and discredit REAL conspiracies, by pretending that it’s “the mother of all conspiracies” when it was never a conspiracy at all.
The U.S. and U.K. went to war over the false flag event on 9/11/2001, which has murdered MILLIONS of people in the Middle East, and set in motion the mass immigration into the U.S. and U.K. as karmic pay-back. That watershed event began the “endless wars” which are still being waged today, in the lead up to the final phase of WW3. Of course the British people needed further persuading just a few years into this, which is why they staged their own false flag operation on 7/7/2005, with the London bombings. Bali, Madrid, Norway, the Victoria Newland orchestrated coup in Ukraine that led to the present war with Russia, the widespread financial fraud, the genocide in Palestine, etc.
There’s a lengthy list of REAL conspiracies over the past 150 years. And the “flat Earth” isn’t one of them.
But with enough people buying into the FE psy-op (perhaps 2-4% of the population), it can be used to try to discredit the entire list of REAL conspiracies. Guilt by association. Just think what happens when people start to stand up and say enough is enough, we can’t continue murdering innocent women and children in Gaza, or we can’t continue castrating and physically abusing our children with trans-whatever ideology, only to be met with “do you believe the Earth is flat too?”
We can and MUST change the world into what it was ALWAYS meant to be: The Kingdom of heaven on Earth, where everyone loves one another and nobody lies.
Oh, God, give us courage to change what must be altered, serenity to accept what can not be helped, and insight to know the one from the other.
- The Serenity Prayer
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Freeman hahaha - your pathetic little vid might confuse a few seekers who have found their way to the door marked FE but, for those of us who know their way around, your childish attempt to muddy the water is hilarious ….Freeman hahaha - ya gotta get a grip - take your badly made garbage to a site that is attractive to morons - maybe you’ll even get a thumbs up - some punters believe anything. Just try and provide ANY actual proof that we live on a spinning ball covered in curved water hahaha …go on, break a leg -NOBODY has been able to provide that proof so far - see how ya go Freeman hahahah.
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Ad Hominem
(Attacking the person): This fallacy occurs when, instead of addressing someone’s argument or position, you irrelevantly attack the person or some aspect of the person who is making the argument. The fallacious attack can also be direct to membership in a group or institution.
Source for above definition:
https://www.txst.edu/philosophy/resources/fallacy-definitions/Ad-Hominem.html
People resort to ad hominem attacks, aka “shoot the messenger” when their counter-argument is so pathetically weak it’s indefensible.
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Yes, I predicted that the discussion on this topic would degenerate into insulting insults, but that’s not the point.
The truth is that neither side will accept the other’s arguments.
This is my little request, let’s respond to each other with the respect that each of us deserves, not only in this topic, but in every other topic on this forum.
I agree with this statement and subscribe to it hand and foot. 
@AFreeman You wrote something like this in another topic:
Where else is Freemasonry?
In national governments?
In Religion/Church?
Uniformed and special services?
Prosecutor’s Office?
In health care?
Cultural Institutions?
Public finance institutions?
E.T.C.
And now my question: Is Freemasonry present in the education system and science?
In the New Testament, Satan is called “the ruler of this world” three times by Jesus in the Gospel according to St. John (Jn 12:31; 14:30; 16:11). (A temporary ruler, of course.)
Synonyms for the words fraud and lie
These terms best describe the nature of the “father of lies”:
Tempter – one who deceives and causes evil through deception.
Slanderer – One who uses lies to accuse someone.
Cheater / Impostor – in the colloquial sense, someone who hides the truth.
Evil spirit - a general term for a deceptive spiritual entity.
Do you want to tell me that the father of lies subjugated the world in his satanic vision, but he is truthful about Science?
Are you telling me that the father of lies did not ensure that the Bible survived so many centuries intact?
Since we are prisoners in our world, whether flat or spherical, and the host of this world is Satan, everything related to this world has become satanic. Is there a risk that the Bible has been rewritten to fit science? Could these be changes aimed at confirming scientific theories?
Is there such a risk? Logic says yes.
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again something I’ll have to give credit to my oldest for
they liked debating the round version online and I thought it would be something We could do together
unfortunately the more research I did the more it led me to Believing the earth is flat,well not flat like a pancake but more like a milk saucer,I Hope that makes sense
We can easily observe the moon(that seems to be See through sometimes)and sun (that gets massive holes sometimes)are both much closer than We’re told
how can Your phone zoom into the craters on the moon but can’t zoom in on anything too far away with that sorta clarity and if it can See the craters why not the massive holes that appear on the sun
I’m positive We all Seen the wires,greenscreen glitches,the mouse and fly taking a little space walk
every image shown to Us is an artistic rendition,anyone can do that and when looking through telescopes Ya See they don’t look like the renditions
every rocket fired arcs across the sky instead of flying straight up and out,also seems at some point it hits something that turns it into a speedboat on water
why would tptb want a round rock spinning throughout space
to make Us feel small,like We evolved from monkeys thats after of course by chance climbing out of a primordial soup
to create “aliens"that can enter into Our world from a different space spot or a completely different universe than Ours
I don’t Know the Truth but I do Know,everything that’s been told or provided as truths come from liars
if the convid attack taught Us anything after Seeing how the research etc..is handpicked according to the story tptb want spun
those credible Peoples who don’t fit that narrative just get erased, silenced and painted with the “conspiracy"brush and dismissed
is that I need to ask questions and need to question everything I thought i Knew
at this point sometimes I find myself questioning if the sky above Us is Our True sky
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No.
Our Creator’s Word, Law, Guidance and Wisdom are written in such a way, and with such redundancy that any attempts by puny humans to alter His Word sticks out like a sore thumb.
We were sent to this prison to learn from Him how to be good. And He has provided us with His Commandments, Statutes and Judgments for everyone’s individual and collective benefit.
If only we had kept His Law (His Eternal, National, Moral Law) this world could have been the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth it was always meant to be instead of the hell that we have made of it.
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