Investigating the Book of Revelation

Please, could you share how you understand Babylon the Great / the woman clothed with scarlet in chapter 17 of the Book of Revelation? What does it symbolise in your view? Could you recommend a presentation on the topic?

Reference: [Douay-Rhimes Bible] Chapter 17 - Book of Revelation

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One-world government in charge until the rise of the antichrist.

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The book of Revelation is really tough to understand, and imho, it’s a waste of time to try and understand unless you feel you have an anointing to do so.

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Yet God promises a special blessing to those who forge through it…to those who read it aloud as well. This isn’t the time for timidity, but boldness.

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So its not blessed are the meek they shall inherit the earth? Its hard to keep up with the changing narrative isn’t it. I wish God would make up his mind

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I was responding to the title and in particular the word ā€œInvestigatingā€. I wasn’t saying that no one should read the book, aloud or otherwise, only that you will get nowhere by trying to understand it as it is not a book for the people of our time. And you kinda proved that point in your first response where you mention ā€œthe antichristā€. Nowhere in the book of revelation is the word ā€œantichristā€ to be found. Of course you could say that the ā€œantichristā€ is the beast or the false prophet or one of the kings, but that would purely be a guess, regardless of which box you go for.

Back to the op’s original Q. Who does the woman on the beast symbolise? Well we could come up with a hundred guesses and everyone could be wrong or one might even be right, then we could all offer up a guess as to which intrepation is the right one.

So if we were to believe we are in the last days then America and the capitalist system of trade would be the Babylon system and the old Soviet Union could be the Beast with the mortal wound who will burn Babylon to the ground.

Or, still believing we are in the end times, China, in the next 2 or 3 decades, could take over the world trade system and by doing so fatally wound America who then, at a later date, will resurrect as the beast system and burn China and its Babylon system to the ground.

Or, moving on from the here and now, maybe the whites, yellows and browns will all annihilate one another in a nuclear war and the African man, seeing an opportunity, could set up the Babylon trade system and then one of the fatally wounded nations of either America, China, Soviet Union or European Union could come back, burn the African Babylon system to the ground and lead us into the new beast system.

I could go on and on but i’ll leave it at that.

Btw i chose Africa because it seems to fit in more with the magic spells part of revelation, but that could also apply to ancient mesopotamia or one of the south american nations or any ancient pagan nation.

If anyone has any special insight into the op’s Q i would happy if you would share it with the rest of us.

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You post confusion.

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And this is a book for our time. It is literally coming truer evermore daily.

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You’ve got some brass neck saying that :slight_smile:

It was crystal clear imo. You said God would only recognise/love those who are forceful during the tribulation but I pointed out ā€˜he’ said the meek shall inherit the earth. You (he) can’t have it both ways. Which is it?

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Son, I’ve been studying Revelation for nearly 40 years. My soul is solid brass.

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@Kiel_Kyght I enjoy your personality :joy::heart:

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Any suggestions on reading material Kiel? Ive read Amir Tsarfati’s interpretation and found it extremely Jewish centric, i suppose it is a Jewish story tbf to him :slight_smile: but basically Jews good God loves em he will save them even though they were naughty / Goyim bad God hates em and will kill them all in a myriad of painful ways was his general conscientious.

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Greetings and good wishes Panda.

Thank-you for this thread.

The woman arrayed in purple and scarlet, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hands, etc. in Revelation 17 is very obviously the Roman Catholic church, the richest business empire on planet Earth (Matt. 6:24), headquartered in Rome, the city of seven hills/mountains.

Revelation 17:3-9
17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
17:4 And the woman was arrayed in PURPLE (bishops) and SCARLET (cardinals) colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
17:5 And upon her forehead [was] a name written, MYSTERY (2 Thess. 2:7), BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS (her daughters) AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of her saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
17:7 And the angel said unto me, Why didst thou marvel? (Stop it!) I will tell thee the MYSTERY of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the Bottomless Pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the Earth shall wonder, whose names were NOT written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
17:9 And here [is] the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth (Rome).

A comprehensive study of how Babylon migrated to Rome via Asia Minor, and how most of the world remains under Roman rule (as evidenced by the widespread use of the dead language of Latin throughout the courts, medical industry, church, etc.) may be found in the following 3 part series at the link below:

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The woman in that chapter sits on the beast with tens horns. The beast is supposed to be the one world government and the ten horns are leaders and/or nations.

The woman is first propped up and used by the beast just to be turned on and bombed? My guess is the woman is a western establishment because of the trade and other sins that are allowed there. So maybe America, New York City, or somewhere in Western Europe.

I have a feeling this verse will be a lot more clearer in the next few years.

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Thank you all for sharing your thoughts, I appreciate you.

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I find this relevant to post here. Thanks for considering to find it as interestingly funny as I. :slight_smile:

The Key to Understanding all of God’s Revelation: The little book/white stone/Mother of the Book

Revelation 10:6-10

10:6 And sware by Him that liveth for ever and ever, Who created heaven, and the things that are therein, and the Earth, and the things that are therein, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as He hath declared to His servants the Prophets.
10:8 And the voice which I heard from heaven spoke unto me again, and said, Go [and] take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the ā€œseaā€ and upon the ā€œearthā€.
10:9 And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take [it], and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth as sweet as honey.
10:10 And I took the little book (white stone ch. 2:17) out of the angel’s hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten (digested) it, my belly was bitter.

Revelation 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the communities; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden Manna, and will give him a white stone (the little book), and IN the stone a NEW name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth [it].

Sura 13:39. ā€œI AMā€ doth blot out or confirm what He pleaseth: with Him is the "Mother of the Book".

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