Your answers appear to be strictly based on mainstream religious doctrine which is someone else’s interpretation rather than what the text actually says.
There are literally thousands of religious doctrines out there based on the Bible and the Quran.
If you can toss aside all the religious doctrine that you have been fed and read the scripture that Freeman posted from the Bible and the Quran you may be able to see that the text says exactly what Freeman says it says.
This thread has become far too long to navigate properly so let me remind the “there are many paths to God” brigade that there’s only ONE path to God, namely through Jesus..
All other paths and faiths lead up shit creek..
When someone argues against the doctrines and traditions of one satanic organized religion to the doctrines and traditions using the doctrines and traditions of another satanic organized religion, they are committing a logical fallacy commonly known as a “strawman” argument.
What “Christianity” and “Islam” teach is in obvious opposition to what The Word of God actually teaches throughout the Old Covenant/Testament, New Covenant/Testament and the Koran/Quran.
It is therefore TOTALLY ILLOGICAL to attempt to use the mistaken beliefs of one of these evil organized religions to prove the Scripture that it DOES NOT FOLLOW isn’t in agreement with the Scripture that the others organized religion similarly DOES NOT FOLLOW with its mistaken beliefs.
NEITHER of these organized religions have ever correctly understood the crucifixion and the resurrection, and neither did the “Jews” before them. The reason for that is simple: NONE of the organized religions understand the difference between Christ (the immortal Son of God) and Jesus (the mortal human son of Mary, whom Christ incarnated). That’s why Christ called all of them and their leaders, “the blind leading the blind” (Matt. 15:13-14) and why none of the so-called religious leaders and scholars during the time of Jesus could answer Christ’s spiritually simple question:
Matthew 22:41-45
22:41 While the politicians were gathered together, Jesus asked them,
22:42 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, [The Son] of David.
22:43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,
22:44 The “I AM” said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
22:45 If David then call him Lord, how is He his son?
A simple question that no “Christian” can answer today, because it requires belief in Christ’s TRUE Teachings about REINCARNATION, which the false religion that calls itself “Christianity” satanically rejects.
The satanic organized religion that calls itself “Christianity” is about as “Christocentric” as the “Jews” that murdered Jesus while claiming to be on the lookout for The Messiah/Christ.
And what did Jesus say about them both?
Matthew 15:7-9
15:7 [YE] HYPOCRITES, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying,
15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with [their] lips; but their heart is FAR from me.
15:9 But in vain they do worship Me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men (man-made rules/legislation, traditions, etc. - Matt. 15:3).
“Christians” FALSELY claim that Jesus was crucified on a Friday and was resurrected on Sunday morning, after spending only one day and two nights buried in the heart of the Earth.
What did Jesus say about his crucifixion and resurrection when asked for a sign?
Matthew 12:39-40
12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and unfaithfull generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the Prophet Jonah:
12:40 For as Jonah was THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of Man be THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS in the heart of the earth.
If “Christianity” can’t get something as simple as counting to three correct, about something as important as the crucifixion and resurrection, how can ANYTHING they say be trusted?
“Anyone who calls Scripture (The Word of God) a lie is choosing of their own free-will to satanically call good evil.” How ironic. That’s exactly what you are doing. Are you by any chances 12 years old?
Are you just a puppet account for Freeman? Because it looks like you only asked the question so you could immediately reply with a pre-scripted deflection, without even bothering to read the actual response you requested in the first place.
When someone takes the time to lay out a clear, textually supported explanation, and your only goal is to antagonize them and blindly declare them wrong, you actually have to provide facts to back it up. You can’t just stamp your feet and say, “You’re wrong because this doesn’t suit my New Age doctrines, so go read my New Age material to enlighten yourself.” That is exactly what idiots do. If you want to argue, bring real textual evidence to the table instead of hiding behind lazy dismissals and cheap dodges.
When the Bible states that Jesus died on the cross and rose again, and the Quran states “they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him,” that isn’t a conflict of “interpretation.” That is a flat-out contradiction on a historical claim. One text says an event happened; the other explicitly says it didn’t. You don’t need a theology degree to see that both statements cannot be simultaneously true.
The same applies to the identity of Jesus. When John’s Gospel says “the Word was God” and the Quran says “desist from saying Three… Allah is but one God,” these are literal textual mandates. One explicitly affirms the divinity of Christ, while the other explicitly condemns it as a fundamental sin. To claim that pointing this out is just “religious doctrine” is a massive cop-out. It’s an attempt to minimize the actual words on the page because dealing with the blatant contradictions in the text is uncomfortable.
Tossing aside theology doesn’t magically make the two texts align. In fact, doing exactly what you suggested, reading the plain text for what it actually says, word for word, is precisely how we arrive at these contradictions. The text says exactly what it says, and no amount of semantic hand-waving can alter the reality that their core messages are entirely irreconcilable.
Exactly. 100% agree with you brother.
These trolls shills claiming God and Jesus are extraterrestrials and the Kuran and Bible are the same thing are just shilling and infiltrating this forum with deceptive new age doctrines. Sprinkled with bible verses to then accuse anyone who call him out an anti-christ “scripture opposer”
And there you have it folks.
He is calling Christianity satanic now. Wow hahahaha Talking about wolf in sheep clothing, saw it coming a mile away.
No wonder he see this in a mirror:
Your entire “gotcha” argument hinges on a completely delusional, hyper-literal, 21st-century Western reading of Matthew 12:40 (“three days and three nights”). You arrogantly ask how Christianity can be trusted if we “can’t get something as simple as counting to three correct.”
What you utterly fail to understand or maybe you just willfully ignore it to push your agenda is inclusive reckoning. In first-century Judaism and the ancient Near East, any part of a day was counted as a full day and night. The Jerusalem Talmud (Shabbat 9:3) explicitly spells out Jewish timekeeping for people exactly like you: “A day and a night are an onah [a portion of time], and the portion of an onah is as the whole of it.”
To a first-century Jewish audience, saying “three days and three nights” was a basic, common idiom meaning “until the third day.” It absolutely did not mean a literal 72-hour period on a stopwatch. We see this exact idiomatic usage plainly in other parts of scripture:
Esther 4:16: Esther tells the Jews to fast for her, eating and drinking nothing for “three days, night or day.”
Esther 5:1: It then immediately says that “on the third day” Esther went to the king. If she waited a literal 72 hours like you’re demanding, she would have gone on the fourth day.
You are violently projecting modern chronological standards onto ancient texts, afreeman, which is the absolute hallmark of a fundamentally lazy, dishonest scholar.
You have the absolute nerve to accuse Christians of hypocrisy and teaching “commandments of men” (quoting Matthew 15), yet you are the one maliciously manipulating scripture. You deliberately isolate Matthew 12:40 while conveniently and cowardly ignoring the overwhelming number of times Jesus Himself plainly stated He would rise “on the third day” not after a full 72 hours had ticked by. look at what you left out:
Matthew 16:21: “…and be killed, and on the third day be raised.”
Matthew 17:23: “…and they will kill him, and he will be raised on the third day.”
Matthew 20:19: “…to be mocked and flogged and crucified, and he will be raised on the third day.”
Luke 24:46: “Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead…”
1 Corinthians 15:4: “…that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures.”
If Jesus was crucified on Friday (Day 1: Friday, Day 2: Saturday, Day 3: Sunday morning), He rose on the third day. That aligns perfectly with both His own prophecies and Jewish inclusive reckoning. But you, afreeman, ignore dozens of crystal-clear verses just so you can weaponize one single idiom. You are proving yourself to be exactly what you accuse everyone else of being: a massive hypocrite twisting the text to fit your own sick narrative.
Jesus directed those words at the Pharisees. They were the religious elitists who loved to aggressively nitpick, bind heavy burdens on others, and use technicalities to prove how much smarter and holier they were than everyone else. Sound familiar, afreeman? You are not echoing Christ; you are perfectly embodying the exact Pharisaical, venomous spirit Jesus condemned. Your post isn’t theology. It’s just arrogant, historically illiterate slander.
Again, for those with spiritual eyes to see…
Sura 4:153-159
4:153. The people of The Book ask thee to cause a book to descend to them from heaven: indeed they asked Moses for an even greater (miracle), for they said: “Show us God in public,” but they were dazed for their presumption, with thunder and lightning. Yet they worshipped the Calf even after Clear Signs had come to them; even so We forgave them; and gave Moses manifest proofs of authority.
4:154. And for their Covenant We raised over them (the towering height) of Mount (Sinai); and (on another occasion) We said: “Enter the gate with humility”; and (once again) We commanded them: “Transgress not in the matter of the Sabbath.” And we took from them a solemn Covenant.
4:155. (They have incurred divine displeasure): in that they broke their Covenant; that they rejected the Signs of God; that they slew the Messengers in defiance of right; that they said, “Our hearts are the wrappings (which preserve God’s Word; we need no more - Jere. 17:9)”;- nay, God hath set the seal on their hearts for their blasphemy, and little it is that they believe;-
4:156. That they rejected Faith; that they uttered against Mary a grave false charge;
4:157. That they said (in boast), “We killed Christ the son of Mary, the Messenger of God”;- but they killed Christ not, nor crucified Christ, but so it was made to appear to them (as they crucified the human body called Jesus, that Christ the spirit-being used - Psalm 22; Isaiah 52:13 to 54:1; Zechariah 11:10-13; Matthew 27), and THOSE WHO DIFFER THEREIN ARE FULL OF DOUBTS, WITH NO (CERTAIN) KNOWLEDGE, BUT ONLY CONJECTURE TO FOLLOW, for of a surety THEY KILLED CHRIST NOT:-
4:158. Nay, GOD RAISED HIM UP UNTO HIMSELF and God is Exalted in Power, and in Wisdom;-
4:159. And, of the People of The Book, they all MUST believe him (Christ) before their death; and on The Day of Judgment he will be a witness against them (and you) (Surah 43:61);-
It is IMPOSSIBLE for puny humans to kill Christ, the IMMORTAL spiritual-Being (Soul) Who is God’s Eldest/Firstborn Son. That is something that ONLY God can do, according to Christ Himself:
Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him (God) which IS able to destroy both soul and body in hell-fire.
God and Christ are SPIRITUAL-BEINGS (Souls), NOT humans, exactly as BOTH of them have said in Scripture (e.g. Num. 23:19; John 4:24; John 8:14; John 18:36).
So not only does Sura 4:157 NOT claim that Jesus wasn’t crucified, it correctly states that CHRIST was NOT killed by the Romans and Jews, which is 100% correct according to Christ Himself.
Those who call Christ a liar – as most “Christians” and “Muslims” do – are very obviously working for the devil (Satan).
King of kings’ Bible - John 8:35-36 (KJV John 8:44-45)
8:35 Ye are of [YOUR] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the Truth, because there is no Truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father (inventor) of it.
8:36 And because I tell [you] the Truth, ye believe me not.
that aint spiritual eyes, afreeman. You keep mixing completely incompatible texts to create a custom-built cult theology that neither Christians nor Muslims actually believe.
Your entire premise rests on a bizarre, unnatural separation of “Jesus” (a human meat-suit) and “Christ” (an immortal spirit being). You claim the Romans killed the “human body called Jesus” but didn’t kill “Christ the spirit-being.”
John 1:14: “And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us…”
Colossians 2:9: “For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily.”
Furthermore, the Apostle John specifically warned the early church about arrogant false teachers exactly like you who try to separate the divine Christ from the physical, human Jesus:
1 John 4:2-3: “By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist…”
By denying the true incarnation and claiming Christ was just a spirit riding around in a temporary human vehicle, you are preaching the exact spirit of the antichrist.
You quote Matthew 10:28 (“fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul”) as if it’s some massive “gotcha” against the Church. Are you genuinely this dense?
No Christian in the history of the world has ever claimed that the Roman Empire annihilated the eternal, divine essence of the Son of God.
When a human being is murdered, their body dies, but their soul is not extinguished. Does that mean they weren’t “actually killed”? Of course not. The Christian doctrine of the atonement is that Jesus Christ experienced literal, physical, agonizing bodily death on the cross, and a literal, physical bodily resurrection. By admitting that the Romans “crucified the human body,” you just admitted the crucifixion happened! You are violently arguing against a point no orthodox Christian has ever made.
It is laughable that you run to Surah 4:157 to back up your twisted Bible interpretation. Mainstream Islamic theology absolutely rejects your weird Gnostic syncretism.
Orthodox Islam interprets Surah 4:157 to mean that Jesus (Isa) was physically rescued by God and completely spared from the cross, while a substitute (like Judas or Simon of Cyrene) was crucified in His place, or that the event was an illusion. Muslims do not believe “the body died but the spirit lived.” You are trying to bridge two totally opposed religious texts, completely butchering the exegesis of both, just to prop up your own fragile ego.
The devil is the father of lies, and he loves nothing more than twisting scripture just enough to deceive the arrogant and the blind. You aren’t exposing Satan’s work; you are doing it for him. Stop quoting scripture you refuse to submit to.
Certainly the leaders of nearly all organised religions (including Christianity) are under satanic control and in no way represent Jesus..
Exactly!
The Quran and the Bible are profoundly different texts with distinct teachings, histories, and views on God. . anyone claiming they’re ‘basically the same’ is either oversimplifying or pushing an agenda. let’s not blur those lines mkay
And afreeman turning God or Jesus into extraterrestrials? Come on, that’s sci-fi fanfic, not serious theology 
And Of course there are some questionable ‘Christian’ leaders out there saying wild stuff false teachers have always existed. But afreeman painting all of Christianity as satanic because of them? That’s straight up heretic nonsense. The vast majority of Christians aren’t out here equating the two faiths, and genuine Christianity has nothing to do with that kind of sloppy syncretism. Afreeman needs to keep the conversation honest and respectful instead of spewing new age deceptive indoctrinations sprinkled with tons of bible verses and then claiming anyone who call him out is “against the scriptures”
4:157. That they said (in boast), “We killed Christ the son of Mary, the Messenger of God”;- but they killed Christ not, nor crucified Christ, but so it was made to appear to them (as they crucified the human body called Jesus, that Christ the spirit-being used)
What Freeman is saying, and I’m paraphrasing, you need to look at it through spiritual eyes. This verse is not denying the crucifixion of the body of Jesus. If you read it in context its simply stating that Christ which is the immortal spirit/soul of Jesus was not killed and not crucified, it looked like it through human eyes, because it was the human body named Jesus that was killed and crucified. Why else would it say that it was made to appear as if he was killed?
If you add more of scripture into context such as Christ referring to his human body as the son of man it begins to make more sense. And how you cannot make it to heaven unless you’re born again, as your spiritual self, woken up to the fact that you are not the human body that you see in the mirror.
Other humans can kill your human body but they cannot kill your soul, only God can do that. Your human body shouldn’t have control of your soul, your soul should be in full control of your body. Control your human and dont let it go astray!
You’re NOT only human after all as THEY want you to believe, you are an immortal spirit/soul, with a human body that will die one day.
When you read scripture you need to look at it through the immortal spirit that you are, not your temporary human body that will be useless one day.
You guys should give Freeman a break and try giving him the benefit of the doubt. He’s not trying to deceive you.
Our Creator has provided us with very simple rules to understand His Message:
WHEN PROPERLY TRANSCRIBED, TRANSLATED AND UNDERSTOOD, ALL SCRIPTURE MUST BE IN AGREEMENT WITH ITSELF.
Simply put, this means that no single verse can be interpreted in a vacuum to disagree with the rest of Scripture. This simple and easy-to-understand instruction, which is repeated throughout Scripture, is ignored by ALL organized religion, which Satan created to oppose God and His Message.
IF this wasn’t true, then there would be only ONE religion on Earth and it would obey God’s Law/Commandments and DO His Will in ALL things at ALL times.
Division, to divide and rule over others, is a classic satanic trademark.
Unification, under God’s Law to DO His Will here on Earth, as it is done in heaven, is God’s Mark, exactly as Christ teaches.
This very obviously includes the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus, the human whom Christ incarnated (John 1:14) 2000 years ago when God sent Christ from heaven to teach us to DO God’s Will.
And, as Christ clearly stated in John 3:3-7, the Word of God was provided for SPIRITUAL-BEINGS (Souls) NOT for humans, who cannot understand anything spiritual, because they lack the spiritual eyes and ears to see it and hear it.
Deuteronomy 17:6 At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death be put to death; [but] at the mouth of one witness he shall NOT be put to death.
Deuteronomy 19:15 One witness shall NOT rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.
THE INCORRECT WRITING OF GOD’S WORDS PROPHESIED:-
104:8 They shall speak evil things; they shall utter falsehood (ch. 97:2); create a great creation (false religions and religious traditions and technology); and compose books of their own words (books of man-made laws; books of the religious traditions of their fathers; novels; etc.; etc.; etc. - ch. 68:13).
HOW TO RECOGNISE AND CORRECT THE MISTAKES:-
But when they shall write correctly all My words in their own languages,
104:9 They (My words) shall neither change nor diminish (Mark 13:31; Matt. 5:17-19); but when all shall be written correctly; ALL, which from the first I have uttered concerning them shall concur (John 10:35; Sura 15:9).
104:10 Another secret also I point out. To the righteous and the wise shall be given Books of joy, of integrity, and of great Wisdom. To them shall Books be given (Rev. 2:17), in which they shall believe (and Live by);
104:11 And in which they shall rejoice. And all the righteous shall be rewarded, who from these (Books) shall acquire the Knowledge of The Straight Way.
Hebrews 13:8 Christ the Saviour (The Word of God) the same yesterday, and today, and forever.
2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this FIRST, that NO Prophecy of the Scripture is of any private interpretation.
Sura 39:23. “I AM” has revealed (from time to time) the most beautiful Message in the form of a Book, CONSISTENT WITH ITSELF, (yet) repeating (its teaching in various aspects): the skins of those who fear their Lord tremble thereat; then their skins and their hearts do soften to the celebration of “I AM”'s praises (Prov. 1:7; 9:10). Such is the Guidance from “I AM”: He guides therewith whom He pleases, but such as “I AM” leaves to stray, can have none to guide.
Again, here are over three dozen verses/ayats in the Koran/Quran instructing readers that they MUST read The Law and the Gospel, which prophesy and record the eye-witness testimony of the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus.
Sura 2:53; 2:87-93; 2:97-98; 3:1-3; 3:48-50; 4:47; 4:54; 5:46-51; 6:91-94; 6:154-157; 7:157; 9:111; 10:37; 11:17; 12:111; 15:9-10; 17:2-4; 21:48; 22:52; 23:20; 23:49; 25:35; 28:1-3; 32:23; 35:25-32; 37:117; 40:53; 40:70; 41:45; 42:14-17; 45:16; 46:12; 46:30; 48:29; 53:36-47; 57:25-29; 61:6-7; 78:2
A few examples from the above list:
Sura 3:1-3
3:1. A. L. M. (Almighty. Loving. Merciful.)
3:2. Allah (God). There is no God but He,- the Living, the Self-Existing (YHWH - “I AM”), Eternal.
3:3. It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it and He sent down The Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the Criterion (of Judgment between right and wrong).
Sura 5:46-50
5:46. But why do they come to thee for decision, when they have (their own) Law (the Torah) before them?- therein is the (plain) command of “I AM”; yet even after that, they would turn away. For they are not (really) People of Faith.
5:47. It was We Who revealed The Law (to Moses): therein is Guidance and Light. By its Standard (Criterion) have been judged the Jews, by the Prophets who bowed to “I AM”'s Will; the Rabbis and the Doctors of Law: for to them was entrusted the protection of “I AM”'s Book, and they were witnesses thereto: therefore fear not men, but fear Me, and sell not My Signs for a miserable price. If any do fail to judge by (the Light of) what “I AM” hath revealed, they are (no better than) Unbelievers.
5:48. We ordained therein for them: “Life for life, eye for eye, nose for nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal.” But if any one remits the retaliation by way of charity, it is an act of atonement for himself (Matt. 5:44). And if any fail to judge by (the Light of) what “I AM” hath revealed, they are (no better than) wrong-doers (and are the accomplices of the wrong-doers and equally guilty).
5:49. And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming The Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein is Guidance and Light, and confirmation of The Law that had come before him: a Guidance and a Warning to those who fear “I AM”.
5:50. Let the People of the Gospel judge by what “I AM” hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the Light of) what “I AM” hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel (and are equally guilty).
Sura 6:154-157
6:154. Moreover, We gave Moses the Book (Torah), COMPLETING (Our favour) to those who would do right, and explaining ALL things IN DETAIL,- and a GUIDE and a MERCY, that they might believe in the meeting with their Lord.
6:155. And this (Torah) is a Book which We have revealed as a BLESSING: so follow it and be righteous, that YE may receive mercy (Sura 32:23):
6:156. Lest YE should say: “The Book (Torah) was sent down to two Peoples before us, and for our part, we remained unacquainted with all that they learned by careful study:”
6:157. Or lest YE should say: “If the Book (Torah) had only been sent down to US, we should have FOLLOWED its guidance BETTER than they (Sura 32:23).” Now then hath come unto YOU a clear (Sign) from your Lord,- and a GUIDE and a MERCY: then who could do MORE WRONG than one who rejecteth “I AM”'s Signs (and Torah - Bible), and turneth away therefrom? In good time shall We requite those who turn away from Our Signs, with a dreadful penalty, for their turning away.
Sura 61:6. And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: “O Children of Israel! I am the Apostle of “I AM” (sent) to you, CONFIRMING The Law (which came) before me (the Torah), and giving Glad Tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be the Comforter (John 16:7-15).” But when he came to them with Clear Signs, they said, “this is evident sorcery!”
It should be self-evident that the CORRECT understanding of ONE VERSE in the Koran/Quran (Sura 4:157) could not possibly contradict itself, the very next verse, three dozen other references to the Bible, and all of the prophecies about the crucifixion and resurrection in The Old Covenant/Testament and all of the eye-witness accounts of the crucifixion and resurrection in the Gospel which the Koran/Quran was sent to confirm.
Only a complete fool would attempt to argue a PRIVATE interpretation of that ONE verse/witness to mean the exact opposite of HUNDREDS of other verses, prophecy, testimony and confirmation of the crucifixion and resurrection throughout Scripture.
But that’s exactly what Satan has conned “Christians” and “Muslims” to do, so he can keep them divided, murdering one another and arguing AGAINST God and Christ, until all of them are cast into The Fire.
Get rid of your ego-driven hatred and division and see things as they REALLY are, through spiritual eyes.
It says in John 3:16 that God so loved the world – the entire world, NOT just “Christians” or “Muslims” – that He gave His First-Created Son (The Word of God), that whosoever believeth Him (that Christ came forth from God) should have everlasting life.
Please stop being so selfish, stupid and hateful to one another and start keeping The Law and follow Christ’s Example of “self”-sacrifice today.
There is no other way to love one’s neighbour as much or more than one’s self.
