And they did not kill him, for certain. (End of Verse)
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Surah An-Nisa (The Women) Verse 157 denies that the Jews killed or crucified Jesus (âIsa), stating it was made to appear so to them, and that they were in doubt, following mere conjecture, not knowledge, and they certainly did not kill him.
The verse follows with Allah raising Jesus to Himself (4:158), and notes that all People of the Book will believe in him before his death, with Jesus as a witness against them on Judgment Day (4:159).
Key Points of Surah An-Nisa 4:157:
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Denial of Crucifixion: The verse explicitly states, âThey did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, but it was made to appear so to themâ.
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Doubt & Conjecture: It emphasizes that those who disagree about Jesusâ crucifixion are full of doubt and follow only assumptions, lacking true knowledge.
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Jesusâ Ascension: The subsequent verse (4:158) clarifies that Allah raised Jesus up to Himself, not that he died on the cross.
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Belief of People of the Book: Verse 4:159 adds that every one of the People of the Book (Jews and Christians) will believe in Jesus before his death, and he will be a witness against them on the Day of Judgment.
In essence, this verse from (Chapter) [Surah] An-Nisa addresses the Jewish claim of killing Jesus, refutes it, and presents the Islamic belief that Jesus was not crucified but was raised to God, with all people eventually believing in him.
âExalted in Mightâ means that The Almighty Is All-Powerful over everything.
As Iâve often reminded previously, The Almighty Is The Creator of both cause and effect.
The human body is a cause and its effect is to perceive physical reality in various ways.
Physical reality itself is a cause and its effect are how itâs perceived by our senses.
Now, our senses of perception are themselves causes and their effects are how oneâs physical eyes perceive the world around him or her. And itâs well known that some are color blind while others may see things in slightly different ways, such as seeing light brown as dark green for example.
In other words, it is Only The Almighty Who Has Power over all of those causes and all of those effects.
Being All-Powerful doesnât make Him Responsible for our wrong perception of things at all.
On the contrary, the Jews [wrongly believing that it is Jesus that they supposedly crucified] is a mere mirror image for their [own corrupted hearts].
As The Almighty Makes mention:
Those are like livestock; rather they are more astray. It is they who are the heedless. (End of Verse)
As we know, livestock/cattle such as cows and bulls are reckoned to be color-blind, seeing only in black and white, more or less, The Almighty Knowing Best for sure how their real perception of things are.
Whatâs interesting here is that The Almighty Says ârather, they are more astrayâ, that is, those that âcanâ be likened to livestock are actually more âastrayâ because the livestock are generally in need of guidance such as a shepherd making use of a dog or a stick even to guide them for instance.
And these people who do not use their organs to believe in The Almighty are actually âthe heedlessâ in His Eyes.
They do not question their beliefs.
They pursue their own desires and passions instead of seeking out what The Almighty Is Expecting of them.
They do not use their eyes to behold the Greatness of God.
They do not use their ears to hear about His Magnificence.
They do not use their mouths to pray to Him.
May we all be Guided towards The One Responsible for our constant well-being, healthiness, sound-mindedness, and loving relationships that we enjoy with each other.
The above Verse 116 (of Qurâanic Chapter âThe Tablespreadâ) is a reminder to worship neither the male nor the female.
Effectively, only The Almighty Can Truly Create any thing and any body that we witness every now and then.
The mother cannot Create her child, except that The Almighty Makes the womb effective to that effect.
In the case of Mary, the Archangel Gabriel was sent to breathe the soul of Jesus through the sleeve of Mary at that particular point in time.
Similarly, Adam, the first man, was Created by The Almighty without the intervention of any parent whatsoever, and so was Eve, the consort of Adam.
The point being, only The Almighty Can Truly Do anything, and Capacitate anybody to any effect, despite not being blameworthy for whoever chooses evil over good.
So trusting in The Almighty at all times is what is required from us but also, we need to ward off evil and also need to enjoin good and forbid evil wheresoever we may find ourselves, which is the real mission of any human being during his/her lifetime.
Islam says Jesus wasnât crucified, but that a âstunt man lookalikeâ took his place up there on the cross, they gotta be friggin kidding..
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That, we shall see for ourselves concerning the truth of it all sooner or later. Be patient.
Well who was it up there on the cross, Mary Poppins?..
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Was that meant to incite anger in me?
I am not responsible for your disbelief.
And my duty is simply to convey the message.
If you donât prostrate to The Almighty, then what are you even a worshipper of?
Prove it..
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Do you think Iâm going to believe something that came from someone with persona of Muhammad⌠not even to mentin real things likeâŚthis religion came about 500-600 years after the completion of the Bible. And to add to that there are plenty of references/resources from eye witnesses of that time and accounts of eyewitnesses of eyewitnesses. Something that Islam does not haveâŚIslam attempt to legitimize itself by paying respect to those in the Bible without ever truly reading and understanding the Bible. Heck, there are people whom were not followers of Christ that have written about Him. Craziest thing is that people have died and ensured harsh perecution for such a âlieââŚIslam can never say they are children of Abraham if they donât even understand the story of Isaac anf Abraham. And the kicker is that they donâtâŚthey believe Ishmael was the chosen sonâŚ
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You mean the Bible has eyewitnesses of the event that is describedâŚin the Bible?
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Jesus had a huge fan base, thatâs a lot of eyewitness, heck he was almost as big as Elvis..
âLarge crowds from Galilee, the Ten Cities, Jerusalem, Judea and the region across the Jordan followed himâ (Matt 4:25)
And he pulled crowds of over 5000 and 4000 at two gigs alone (Matt 14:13, Matt 15:32)
The following excerpt is from:
2. Ignorance isnât bliss; itâs just ignorance
âBe it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ the Nazarite, whom ye crucified, WHOM GOD RAISED FROM THE DEAD, [even] by him doth this man stand here before you whole. THIS is the Stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the Head of the Corner (Matt. 21:42). Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.â â Acts of the Apostles 4:10-12
2000 years ago, a miracle child was born to a virgin, to set Him apart from everyone else, so people would take notice of Him and HEAR Him (Mark 9:7).
The miracle birth of Jesus to the virgin Mary is prophesied in the Old Covenant (Isa. 7:14), fulfilled and recorded in the New Covenant (Matt. 1:18-23, Luke 1:27-35), and CONFIRMED in the Koran (Sura 3:42-47, 19:16-37). We literally changed the way we keep time on this planet because of this miracle. Who then could do more wrong than to ignore such Clear Signs from our Lord?
B.C. = Before Christ
A.D. = Anno Domini = in the year of our Lord
Similarly, the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus is prophesied in the Old Covenant (Ps. 22, Isa. 53:1-11, Dan. 9:25-27, Zech. 11:11-13) and New Covenant (Matt. 12:39-40, Matt. 20:17-19, Matt. 26:2, Mark 9:31, Mark 10:32-34), fulfilled and recorded in the New Covenant (Matt. 27, Mark 15:17-16:8, John 19:14-21:25), and CONFIRMED in the Koran (Sura 3:55, Sura 4:157-158, Sura 6:122, 19:33-34).
We also have recorded in the Bible, which the Koran was sent to CONFIRM (not to contradict), a list of eyewitnesses to both the crucifixion and resurrection.
Witnesses to the crucifixion of Jesus:
⢠Joseph of Arimathaea, Jesusâ great-uncle, who claimed the body (Matt. 27:57-60, Mark 15:43-46, Luke 23:50-53, John 19:38)
⢠Mary Magdelene, and Mary, the mother of Jesus (Matt. 27:55-56, Mark 15:40, Mark 15:47, John 19:25-27)
⢠The mother of Zebedeeâs children (Matt. 27:56)
⢠John, the disciple of Jesus (John 19:25-27, John 19:35)
⢠And all Jesusâ acquaintances (Luke 23:49)
Witnesses of the resurrected Jesus:
⢠Mary Magdelene (Matt. 28:9-10, John 20:15-18)
⢠Mary, the mother of Jesus (Matt. 28:9-10)
⢠Simon, the Pharisee and Alphaeus Cleophas (Luke 24:13-32)
⢠The eleven disciples (Luke 24:33-51, John 20:19-30)
⢠Simon Peter, Thomas, Nathanael, James and John (the sons of Zebedee) and two other disciples on another occasion (John 21)
Despite the perfect agreement between the Bible and the Koran on the miracle virgin-birth of Jesus, despite the numerous references within the Bible and Koran concerning the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus â which likewise are in perfect agreement IF properly understood â despite the documented accounts of dozens of eyewitnesses by multiple Apostles, despite over 121 secular, non-Biblical citations for Jesus outside the New Covenant/Testament that confirm the details of Jesusâ life, death, and resurrection in Jerusalem, during the same period the events in the New Covenant/Testament are described, despite dozens of COMMANDS in the Koran to read and believe the Bible, despite the Koran itself plainly stating it was sent to CONFIRM the Bible, and despite numerous warnings in the Koran against becoming an UNBELIEVER, by picking and choosing which Apostles to believe (Sura 4:150-152), what do âMuslimsâ do?
They ignore Godâs Messengers and pretend the crucifixion and resurrection never happened.
This is what the Koran actually teaches about the crucifixion and about God raising Jesus from the dead after being buried for 3 days and 3 nights (Sura 3:42-55):
Sura 3:45, 48-55
3:45 â Behold! the angels said: âO Mary! God giveth thee glad tidings of The Word (John 1:1-5) from Him: he will be called Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those NEAREST to God.
3:48 â And GOD WILL TEACH HIM The Book (Old Covenant) and Wisdom, The Law (The Torah) and The Gospel (John 5:20-21, John 7:15-19, Sura 7:157-158),
3:49 â And (appoint him) an Apostle to the Children of Israel, (with this message): ââI have come to you, with a Sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Godâs leave: and I HEAL THOSE BORN BLIND (John 9), and the lepers, and I enliven the dead, by Godâs leave and I declare to you what ye eat, and what ye store in your houses. SURELY therein is a Sign for you if ye did believe;
3:50 â (I have come to you), to affirm The Law which was before me (Matt. 5:17-20). And to make lawful to you part of what was (before) forbidden to you (Eph. 2:15, Col. 2:14); I have come to you WITH A SIGN FROM YOUR LORD (Matt. 12:39-40). So fear God, and obey me (John 14:15, John 14:21-24).
3:51 â It is God Who is my Lord and your Lord (John 20:17) then worship Him. This is The Way that is Straight (Matt.7:13-14, John 14:6).â
3:52 When Jesus found Unbelief on their part he said: âWho will be My helpers to (the work of) God.â Said the disciples: âWe are Godâs helpers: we believe in God, and do thou bear witness that we are âTrue in Faithâ.
3:53 â Our Lord! we believe in what Thou hast revealed, and we follow the Messenger (John 1:14, John 5:24); then write us down among those who bear witness (Luke 24:48, Acts 1:8, Acts 2:32, Acts 3:15, Acts 5:32).â
3:54 â And (the unbelievers) plotted and planned, and God too planned, and the best of planners is God.
3:55 â Behold! GOD SAID: âO Jesus! I will take thee and RAISE THEE to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme*; I will make those who follow thee SUPERIOR to those who reject faith, to The Day of Resurrection: then shall ye all return unto Me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.
*Note well: those who falsely claim Jesus wasnât crucified and raised by God from the dead after 3 days and 3 nights, are committing blasphemy by calling God a liar.
Sura 4:157-159
4:157 â That they said (in boast), âWe killed Christ the son of Mary, the Messenger of Godâ;- but they killed Christ not, nor crucified Christ (John 1:10), but so it was made to appear to them (as they crucified the human body called Jesus, that Christ the spirit-being used â Psalm 22; Isaiah 52:13 to 54:1; Zechariah 11:10-13; Matthew 27), and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) Knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed Christ not:-
4:158 â NAY, GOD RAISED HIM UP UNTO HIMSELF and God is Exalted in Power, and in Wisdom;-
4:159 â And, of the People of The Book, they all MUST believe him (Christ) before their death; and on The Day of Judgment he will be a witness against them (and you) (Sura 43:61);-
Note well: Sura 4:157 is probably the most misunderstood verse in the Koran. IF it is read properly, it provides us with CLEAR SIGNS AND CONVINCING PROOF that The Messiah/Christ, the immortal spirit-Being incarnated inside the mortal human Jesus (John 1:14, Sura 2:87, Sura 2:253, Sura 5:113), was NOT crucified (Matt. 10:28); but JESUS WAS CRUCIFIED AND RAISED FROM THE DEAD BY GOD HIMSELF, as it says throughout the Bible and Koran, including in the very next verse (Sura 4:158).
Further confirmation of the crucifixion, death and resurrection of Jesus:
Sura 6:122 â Can he who was dead (Jesus â Matt. 27:50-54, Mark 15:37-39, Luke 23:44-47, John 19:30-42) to whom We gave life (Matt. 28:5-10, Mark 16:6-8, Luke 24, John 20), and a Light (John 3:19-21, John 8:3) with which he (Christ) walks amongst men, be like him who is in the depths of darkness (Lucifer), from which he can never come out? Thus to those without Faith their own deeds seem pleasing (Deut. 4:28, Matt. 6:5).
Excerpts from Sura 19:16-38, about Mary, the virgin birth, and Jesus:
19:19 â He said: âNay, I am only a messenger from thy Lord, (to announce) to thee the gift of an HOLY SON (Rev. 15:4, Sura 59:23, Sura 62:1).â
19:27 â At length she brought the (babe) to her people, carrying him (in her arms). They said: âO Mary! Truly an amazing thing hast thou brought!
19:33 â So Peace is on me the day I was born, THE DAY THAT I DIE, AND THE DAY THAT I SHALL BE RAISED UP TO LIFE (again)!â
19:34 â SUCH (WAS) JESUS THE SON OF MARY: (IT IS) A STATEMENT OF TRUTH, about which they (vainly) dispute.
19:35 â It is not befitting to (the Majesty of) âI AMâ that He should beget a (human) son. Glory be to Him! When He determines a matter, He only says to it, âBeâ, and it is.
19:36 â Verily âI AMâ is my Lord and your Lord: Him therefore serve ye: this is The Way that is straight.
19:37 â But the sects differ among themselves: and woe to the Unbelievers because of the (coming) Judgment of a Momentous Day!
19:38 â How plainly will they see and hear, the Day that they will appear before Us! But the unjust today are clearly in error!
Note well: the word âbegetâ in this context means to procreate through sexual intercourse. God is NOT a human [Num. 23:19, Hosea 11:9, John 4:24), and therefore does NOT have/beget human children. He did however CREATE the Angels (Spirit-Beings) which are referred to as the Sons of God (the immortal spirit-Beings, NOT the humans they incarnate â Sura 9:30)]. And in doing so, He became our Heavenly Father.
Jesus, WAS the mortal human son (âSon of Manâ), born of the virgin body of Mary. Christ, the immortal Spirit-Being, IS the Firstborn/First-created Son of God. Together they formed the human+Being referred to as Jesus+Christ. It is The Messiah/Christ that is prophesied to return in a new body (Gen. 49:10, Gen. 49:22-24) with a new name (Rev. 2:17, Rev. 3:12, Rev. 19:12) just before the Last Day (Mal. 4, Sura 43:61), NOT Jesus.
Until these irrefutable FACTS are clearly understood and no longer ignored, so-called Muslims (unbelievers really) will continue to vainly dispute against God and His Messenger, until they too find themselves in The Fire, exactly as the Koran warns us at least 300 times.
Muslims and Jews say Jesus was NOT the son of God, so theyâll be going up the spout on judgement day together for calling God a liar-
God said âThis is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased, listen to himâ (Matt 17:5)
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YHWH does not accept sin in his presence nor does he have to. We all must be cleansed of our sins. ÎĚΡĎÎżĎ ÍĎ is the sacrifice for our sins. He is our scapegoat. We repent and cast our sins onto Christ who cleanses us of our sins and make us acceptable to the only, true living God in the highest heaven. We must be cleansed in order to be acceptable to be in YHWHâs presence. He cannot accept us when we are full of sin. However, he created a way for us to be acceptable but we must do it his way by accepting his sacrifice.
2 Corinthians 5:21 For God made Christ, who never sinned, to be the offering for our sin, so that we could be made right with God through Christ.
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, âI am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.â
Acts 4:1 The priests and the captain of the temple guard and the Sadducees came up to Peter and John while they were speaking to the people. They were greatly disturbed because the apostles were teaching the people, proclaiming in Jesus the resurrection of the deadâŚ7 They had Peter and John brought before them and began to question them: âBy what power or what name did you do this?â Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them: âRulers and elders of the people!..11 Jesus is " âthe stone you builders rejected, which has become the cornerstone.â Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.â
Abd, salvation through Christ is a free gift. All you have to do is accept his sacrifice for your sins and follow his example which is peace and love. How terrible it will be for you in hell when you realize all you had to do is accept the free gift of salvation but chose not to.
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Respectfully my dear lovely brothers and sister, I havenât read everything, but it seems very interesting⌠glimpsing quickly superficially it seems basically in this whole thread
These people are right:
Ripcord
meanwhile Post from this user are not right:
AFreeman
Is that the impression Iâm getting??
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I wish AFreeman would stop quoting from the Koran.. 
Well I respectfully agree, less quotes, people need to take just a break from these massive quoting so much because Iâve seen here and other threads, those being used to twist, re-interpret, and imply it mean something far fetch and just go with an actual dialogue would be very much appreciated, respectfully
