We’re not quarelling or being foolish. We are discussing something which is of utmost importance, the nature of God!
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You all sound like the pharisees to me, but yall go ahead and keep on going round and round.
Your opinion truly doesn’t matter. Keep telling yourself otherwise.
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Two separate Beings: God the Father AND Christ-Jesus
Father (God, the “I AM”) and Christ are clearly two distinctly different Beings, with Father recognized as God by Christ, and by the early Christian believers.
John 17:3 And THIS is Life Eternal, that they might KNOW Thee the ONLY True God, AND Christ the Saviour, whom Thou hast sent.
1 Timothy 2:5 For [there is] ONE God, AND One mediator between God and men, the Man Jesus Christ;
1 Corinthians 8:4-6
8:4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol [is] nothing in the world, and that [there is] none other God but ONE.
8:5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
8:6 But to us [there is only] ONE God, the Father, of Whom [are] all things, and we of Him; AND one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom [are] all things, and we by him.
Titus 1:4 To Titus, [mine] own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, [and] peace, from God the Father AND the Lord Christ our Saviour.
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What does that even have to do with this thread or the trinity? You just keep posting these rants about nothing relevant to the topic.
Why because you say so? I bet im not the only one that is turned off by these off topic rants and false doctrine. Not here to argue. I pray for your souls. Ya’ll take care.
“And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.”
Matthew 10:14
There is only ONE God, and that God is FATHER, exactly as it says throughout Scriptures.
Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The “I AM” our God [is] ONE “I AM”:
Zechariah 14:9 And the “I AM” shall be King over all the earth: in that Day shall there be one “I AM”, and His name ONE [not a trinity].
Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The First of all the Commandments [is], Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is ONE Lord:
The NAME of God is “YHWH” in Hebrew or, in English, “I AM”, which literally means the Self-Existing ONE.
Exodus 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and He said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, “I AM” hath sent me unto you.
ONE MEANS ONE. It doesn’t mean 3=1 or 1=3 or anything other than ONE. God is NOT the author of confusion; Satan is (1 Cor. 14:33)
The pagan Babylonian invention of a made-up 3=1 nonsensical deity was passed down to their descendants, the Romans, through their “mother church” (the RCC, the great whore) which, in turn, was passed down that unscriptural dogma to her harlot daughters, the protestant denominations.
The following is the RCC’s admission of that FACT over 70 years ago…
“Our opponents sometimes claim that no belief should be held dogmatically which is not explicitly stated in scripture … But the Protestant Churches have themselves accepted such dogmas, AS THE TRINITY, for which there is no such precise authority in the Gospels,” — (Assumption of Mary, Life magazine, Oct 30, 1950, p. 51)
Source: The Trinity Doctrine Exposed
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Pot, meet kettle.
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The first basic issue we must consider is to what extent the Bible is an original written under inspiration and to what extent there have been intentional theological changes.
Example:
In some instances, scribes or later editors intentionally introduced changes to align the text with specific theological views or to harmonize parallel passages (e.g., in the Synoptic Gospels). An example is the addition of the Comma Johanneum reference to the Trinity in 1 John 5:7, which is absent from the oldest, most reliable manuscripts.
Minor Scribal Variants: Over centuries, manuscripts were copied by hand, which inevitably led to minor errors, typos, omissions, or changes in word order. Modern scholars estimate there are between 200,000 and even 750,000 such variants in New Testament manuscripts. Most are insignificant differences that do not affect the main message of the Bible (What if they dramatically affect understanding?).
It is the church, i.e. man, who chose the gospels for us (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John).
Apocryphal Gospels:
The Church rejected these texts because they were judged to be uninspired, to be of uncertain authorship, to contain content inconsistent with the main apostolic tradition, or to contain Gnostic or heretical elements. (Or maybe they were telling a truth that didn’t sit well with the church because it undermined their lies. ?)
The Gospel of Thomas: Known from the discoveries in Nag Hammadi, it contains a collection of sayings (logia) attributed to Jesus.
Gospel of Peter: Fragmentarily preserved, probably dating from the 2nd century, presenting a description of the Passion of the Lord.
The Gospel of Mary Magdalene: A text that some interpret as evidence of the important role of women in early Christianity.
The Gospel of Philip: Also discovered at Nag Hammadi, contains Gnostic theology and speculation about Jesus’ relationship with Mary Magdalene.
The Infancy Gospel of Thomas: Focuses on the wonderful and sometimes controversial stories of Jesus’ childhood.
Protoevangelium of James: Describes the birth and early life of Mary, the mother of Jesus, and the circumstances of the birth of Jesus himself.
The Gospel of Nicodemus (or the Acts of Pilate): Focuses on the trial of Jesus and the events after the crucifixion, including Jesus’ descent into hell.
Gospel of the Ebionites, Gospel of the Hebrews, Gospel of the Nazarenes.
Is it reasonable to accept the Bible as inspired and unchanged throughout all these centuries? Of course not. And that was the point: for the Bible to lose its single message and for each of us to interpret it in our own way.
One thing is certain and we can see from the example of the Vatican how hypocritical this institution is. How much she manipulated her believers and how much she changed the text of the Bible.
You don’t have to be extremely intelligent to see how beautifully they transformed the Babylonian and Egyptian Paganism of the Holy Trinity.
On Sunday you will go to church to worship the sun - SUN DAY.
On December 25 (Coming Soon), you will worship the sun.
This date was deliberately chosen by the early Church to coincide with the Roman festival of Dies Natalis Solis Invicti (Day of the Birth of the Invincible Sun) and the ancient solstice celebrations, to facilitate the adoption of pagan traditions by the new religion.
The obelisk located in the center of St. Peter’s Square. Peter in the Vatican comes from ancient Egypt, from the city of Heliopolis (Helio - it must have been the city), where it was built around 2500 BC. on the orders of Pharaoh Amenemhat II.
The obelisk was brought to Rome by Emperor Caligula in 37 AD. It was placed in the center (on the spina) of Caligula’s private circus, later known as Nero’s Circus, which was located approximately where St. Peter’s Basilica now stands. Peter.
THE HOLY TRINITY IS PAGANITY
You won’t be able to say “I didn’t know”, especially those who persist in this madness, even though everything is already clear, everything is in front of everyone’s eyes.
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One of the Books that was wrongly removed from the Bible is the Book of Enoch, which provides us both with a prophecy about incorrect writings and also how to recognize and correct them.
THE INCORRECT WRITING OF GOD’S WORDS PROPHESIED:-
104:8 They shall speak evil things; they shall utter falsehood (ch. 97:2); create a great creation (false religions and religious traditions and technology); and compose books of their own words (books of man-made laws; books of the religious traditions of their fathers; novels; etc.; etc.; etc. - ch. 68:13).
HOW TO RECOGNISE AND CORRECT THE MISTAKES:-
But when they shall write correctly all My words in their own languages,
104:9 They (My words) shall neither change nor diminish (Deut. 4:2, 12:32, Matt. 5:17-19, Mark 13:31); but when all shall be written correctly; ALL, which from the first I have uttered concerning them SHALL CONCUR (John 10:35; Sura 15:9-10).
104:10 Another secret also I point out. To the righteous and the wise shall be given Books of joy, of integrity, and of great Wisdom. To them shall Books be given (Rev. 10:7-10, Rev. 2:17), in which they shall believe (and Live by);
104:11 And in which they shall rejoice. And all the righteous shall be rewarded, who from these (Books) shall acquire the Knowledge of The Straight Way (Matt. 7:13-14, John 14:6, Rev. 14:1-4, Sura 6:153-161).
This is how and why ANY additions or alterations made to the Bible or to the Koran/Quran stick out like a sore thumb, and how we can know when something has been removed. An example of recognizing something has been wrongfully removed is the Book of Enoch itself. Enoch (Idris) is mentioned in The Law (Old Covenant - Gen. 5:22-24, Sol. 4:10, Wis. 44:16) and in the New Covenant (Heb. 11:5) and in the Koran (Sura 19:56-57), and he stands out as being the only one to ever be “translated”. If Father (God) raised Enoch to such a lofty station, shouldn’t the Book that Enoch was given by Father (the “I AM”, THE God/Allah) be part of Father’s Word? Doesn’t ANY of Father’s Word prove itself to be true?
Confirmation of error correction in the Koran/Quran: Sura 39:23 (further confirmation that all Scripture must be consistent with itself)
Sura 39:23. “I AM” (Allah) has revealed (from time to time) the most beautiful Message in the form of a Book, CONSISTENT WITH ITSELF, (yet) repeating (its teaching in various aspects): the skins of those who fear their Lord tremble thereat; then their skins and their hearts do soften to the celebration of “I AM”'s praises (Prov. 1:7; 9:10). Such is the Guidance from “I AM”: He guides therewith whom He pleases, but such as “I AM” leaves to stray, can have none to guide.
The Bible could have been three words (“OBEY GOD ONLY”) instead of its complete length. But if Father would have done that, Satan would have had humans come along with a comma and add a caveat, to reverse the obvious meaning. Just like in George Orwell’s political satire “Animal Farm” where “all animals are equal” became “all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others”.
The Bible is the length that it is, because it has tremendous built-in redundancy, to prevent someone from tampering with it without the alteration sticking out like a sore thumb.
A great example of this is Matthew 28:19, the original of which did NOT tell anyone to go and baptize “in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit”. IF that would have been the case, then every single disciple and apostle would be guilty of disobeying that instruction, as NONE of them followed it.
There are HUNDREDS of verses telling us that there is ONE God: our heavenly Father, which art in heaven, and that He sent Christ.
There are a handful of verses which have either been very obviously poorly translated, or have very obviously been misunderstood by those attempting to hammer-fit their 3=1 nonsense into them.
This is how obvious it really is that there is no “trinity”, if it wasn’t clear enough from the dozens of Biblical terms that “trinitarians” redefine to delude themselves into believing 3=1.
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The Trinity nonsense is satanic to the core because it ‘dilutes’ God by trying to split him into three parts..
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I said as much in a forum earlier this year and they branded me a ‘heretic’ and this message came up the next time i tried to log in.
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This is not the average discussion on religion. The denial of the divine nature of the Christ gave birth to what we call Judaism in 33AD, Islam in 622AD and a gaggle of christian offshoots that are quite powerful today. In fact the actual issue is not a theological issue. IDGAF if you do not believe that the Christ represents the human dimension of God, but you get my attention when you outright deny it, that is you want OTHERS to accept that fact, down to lopping heads off oppa islam style. The question is, why it is so important to deny a potential feature or act by God? The answer is obvious for satanists and antichrists, it’s envy for the sacrifice that ties God and man inextricably togethet. But for the rest of the people, the religious ones? It’s like agreeing that one guy is filthy rich but insist he didn´t buy a Ferrari, without of course being able to prove anything without making assumptions.
There is no “denial of the divine nature of Christ” involved in pointing out the FACT/TRUTH that the 3=1 nonsensical “trinity” is of pagan origin and has absolutely NOTHING to do with God.
As long as someone mistakenly believes that God is divided into three equal but not really equal parts, and/or that God is allegedly role playing as his own dad and his own son, they can NEVER get to KNOW The One True God nor get to know Christ, whom God sent.
John 17:3 And THIS is Life Eternal, that they might KNOW Thee the ONLY True God, and Christ the Saviour, whom Thou hast sent.
Every single “angel” (spiritual-Being/Soul/Jinn) is divine in that they are all spiritual-Beings, just as God is a Spiritual-Being (John 4:24).
By definition
divine: Of, relating to, emanating from, or being the expression of a deity.
God is NOT a man, nor can He ever be a man, nor the “son of a man” because God is NOT human (Num. 23:19); God is a Spiritual-Being.
Just as God is a Spiritual-Being, so is His Eldest/Firstborn/First-Created Son: Prince Michael, whom God anointed to be our King, Teacher and Saviour.
No human can ever kill a Spiritual-Being (Soul); only God can do that. Humans can only kill other humans (something they seem hell-bent on doing).
Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell-fire.
When Prince Michael, The Anointed One (Messiah/Christ) was placed inside of the human son of the virgin Mary, He became the human+Being we refer to as Jesus+Christ.
Do NOT look to ANY organized religion for answers about God, as every single priest, pastor, rabbi, imam, etc. are among “the blind leading the blind” (Matt. 15:13-14). Look instead to what it actually says in Scripture.
Christ absolutely REPRESENTS God, whether Christ is “made flesh” (incarnated inside of a human body) or whether Christ is in His True, Spiritual form, as He will be coming in with great glory, once He sheds the human body He is currently using (Matt. 24:27-31).
That’s why we have been told that God MADE Prince Michael/Christ in His Express IMAGE/LIKENESS (Heb. 1:1-4).
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“Partialism” is considered a heresy by Christian Trinitarians. That is a perfect example of a straw man. Habe some intellectual honestly, dude.
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Would you please explain exactly what you mean by “partialism” and what you believe to be a straw man argument please?
The Roman Catholic dogma referred to as the “trinity”, which is found nowhere in Scripture, is defined by the Athanasian creed, which claims the "Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, is all one; the Glory equal, and "the whole three Persons are coeternal, and coequal, which is symbolized in the following nonsensical (cognitive dissonance inducing) diagram:
A “strawman” is when someone makes up something that was never actually said or argued by another party, and then proceeds to beat it down.
Very obviously the “trinity” is defined as one person that is three persons but not three persons, which are allegedly coequal and coeternal.
How can the Father be equal to the Son when the Son (Who is the Truth) tells us his Father is GREATER than he (the son) is?
John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come [again] unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is GREATER THAN I.
Greater than can NEVER mean “equal to”, so the unscriptural “trinity” is very obviously a LIE.
And a Father very obviously precedes his own son, or they wouldn’t have a REAL, LITERAL Father-Son relationship. So claiming the Father and Son are “coeternal” is likewise a LIE, because before God created His firstborn son and became “Father” He exists.
This is why no “trinitarian” can provide a single verse where Christ told anyone to pray to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, or that belief in a “trinity” was a prerequisite for eternal life, nor any verse that plainly states God is 3 in 1, etc.
Not one single verse.
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“Partialism” is a heresy which posits that each person of the Trinity is a “part” of God., but not fully God. That’s not what Trinitarians believe. Rather, we believe that each person is fully God.
@Ripcord’s argument that Trinitarians split God into “parts“ is stated in this quote:
it ‘dilutes’ God by trying to split him into three parts..
That is a strawman because Trinitarians neither hold to nor defend that belief.
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In direct opposition to Scripture, proving the “trinity” delusion to be satanic.
Christ, the Son OF God (over 50 references to Christ being the Son Of God in the Gospel accounts).
And Christ telling us His Father is His God (at least 7 times - Matt. 27:46; John 20:17; Rev. 3:12) and that His Father taught him everything (John 5:19-20).
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1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.