Jesus was not God

Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong.

You foolishly assume Jesus hasn’t always existed. Colossians describes Him (along with the Father and the Holy Spirit) as Creator of all. He was called The Angel of the Lord in the OT. He was also called The Second Power of Heaven.

He has always been. He will always be.

You do therefore greatly err.

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The most important words in all of Scripture are found in John 3:3-7, where Christ said the following through the mouth of Jesus:-

John 3:3-7
3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born from above, he cannot SEE The Kingdom of God.
3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born?
3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water (human) and then is born (later) from above as his spirit-“Being” (his REAL self which is NOT human), he can NOT enter into The Kingdom of God (Who is a Spirit-“Being” - Num. 23:19; John 4:24).
3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh (human); and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit (a spirit-“Being”) - (which together form a human+Being).
3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye MUST be born again.

If one isn’t born again as their true, spiritual self, knowing the DIFFERENCE between the spirit and the flesh, then they cannot “see” the Kingdom of God (the spiritual realm) much less enter it.

Christ, like God and the rest of the angels of heaven, is an immortal spiritual-Being (the first-created Son of God). Christ has been around since before the world was, as Father (God) created the worlds through Christ, teaching Christ everything through that process.

John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify Thou me with Thine Own self with the glory which I had with Thee BEFORE THE WORLD WAS.

Hebrews 1:1-2
1:1 God, Who at sundry times and in diverse manners spoke in time past unto the fathers by the Prophets,
1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [His] Son, whom He hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also He made the worlds

John 5:19-20
5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever He doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
5:20 For the Father loveth the Son, and showeth him all things that Himself doeth: and He will show him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.

Everyone living in the Old Covenant/Testament knew Christ, and awaited Christ’s coming in the body of Jesus, as prophesied throughout the Old Covenant/Testament
Jesus was the mortal human son born of the virgin body of Mary, exactly as prophesied in the Old Covenant/Testament, recorded in the New Covenant/Testament and confirmed in the Koran/Quran.

Sura 19:18-20
19:18. She (Mary) said: “I seek refuge from thee to (“I AM”) Most Gracious: (come not near) if thou dost fear “I AM”.”
19:19. He said: “Nay, I am only a messenger from thy Lord, (to announce) to thee the gift of an Holy son.”
19:20. She (Mary) said: “How shall I have a son, seeing that no man has touched me, and I am not unchaste?”

When Christ (the immortal Son of God) incarnated Jesus (John 1:14), They became the human+Being we refer to as Jesus+Christ.

Christ led Moses and the Israelites through the wilderness for 40 years, after appearing in the “burning bush” to Moses.

Exodus 3:1 Now Moses kept the flock of Jethro his father in law, the priest of Midian: and he led the flock to the backside of the desert, and came to the mountain of God, [even] to Horeb.
3:2 And the angel of the “I AM” appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush [was] not consumed.
3:3 And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt.

And David called Christ “Lord”, and knew that Christ’s LORD is the LORD God Almighty.

Psalm 110:1 (A Psalm of David.) THE LORD God Almighty (the “I AM”) said unto my Lord (Christ), Sit thou at My right hand, until I make thine (Christ’s) enemies thy footstool.

Compare with:

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.

And further, if everyone truly knew that they are also a spiritual-Being, temporarily incarnated inside the human they see in the mirror, then they would understand that they have been here for the past 6000 years and have experienced many human lifetimes. In other words, ALL of us were here during the times of the Old Covenant/Testament (and ever since), and NONE of us have ever ascended to heaven, except for Christ, Who came from heaven.

John 3:13-15
3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, [even] the Son of Man which is from heaven.
3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up:
3:15 That whosoever believeth him should not perish, but have Eternal Life.

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The above answers the question that Christ – through the mouth of Jesus – asked the politicians, who likewise didn’t understand the difference between the spirit-Being Christ and the human (flesh and blood) Jesus, descended from David (Mary was royalty, and herself a descendant of David).

Matthew 22:41-46
22:41 While the politicians were gathered together, Jesus asked them,
22:42 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, [The Son] of David.
22:43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,
22:44 The “I AM” said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
22:45 If David then call him Lord, how is He his son?
22:46 And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any [man] from that day forth ask him any more [questions].

Sadly, it appears most still don’t understand the difference, having been indoctrinated by their satanic organized religions into believing the traditions of men instead of God’s Word/Messenger.

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Certainly, if somebody had NEVER HEARD of Jesus but were still decent people, God will cut them some slack because he’s fair and flexible -
“In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent.” (Acts 17:30)
So for example a starving caveman back in the mists of time who sacrificed his own life because he felt it was right giving his starving woman and baby the last bit of food has a good chance of getting through the pearly gates because God will think “He’s the sort I want”..:slight_smile:
But somebody who’s heard Jesus’s words and rejected him has got ZERO chance..
Jesus said:- “Whoever rejects me rejects God” (Luke 10:16)

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Here is that verse that you manipulated to fit your argument:

“He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭10‬:‭16‬ ‭

The verse does not insinuate that we should pray to Jesus. Even though you claim to not be a trinitarian you still seem to follow the doctrine of one. You pray to and worship Jesus as if he was God. You are closeted trinitarian.

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Nah not me mate,.:)…When the disciples asked Jesus how to pray, he replied - “Our Father which art in heaven…”

But catholics disobey him and pray to his mum instead of God, and they might as well be firing blanks..:slight_smile:

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Jojo, you are one of those guilty of brazen manipulation here. You strain at a gnat and swallow a camel.

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Why did God send Mohammed? Wasn’t Jesus enough?

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Anyone who denies that Jesus is God enfleshed is antichrist!

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Exactly backwards.

Anyone who denies that God and His Anointed One have a REAL, Spiritual Father-Son relationship is anti-Christ.

That ignorance (in choosing to believe a lie) will prevent one from getting to know The One TRUE God (our heavenly Father, which art in heaven) and getting to know Christ, the Saviour, whom God created and sent.

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Argue it out with Jesus when you meet himm..:slight_smile:

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Before Jesus the souls went to Sheol. Jesus has preached there to evangelise to the dead.

1 Peter: 3: 19-22
19 After being made alive,[d] he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— 20 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, 21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God.[e] It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22 who has gone into heaven and is at God’s right hand—with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him.

1 Peter 4: 6
6 For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to human standards in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit.

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God made all people in His image. But we all fail, except Jesus. That’s why we have to follow Jesus, so we can be saved in Him. Jesus is not God the Father, but He is the image of God the Father. An image of something isn’t the same as what it is an image from, right?

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Well explained! :slight_smile: :+1:

Thanks a bunch!!! :smiling_face_with_three_hearts:

Religion I believe needed to be Perfected (through Law) all throughout the ages since when during the time of Adam (who was say around 40 meters tall), siblings were allowed to intermarry for example.

Try to decipher the following (if it’s not too small):

The yellow highlights are supposed to represent the sent Prophets.

Or maybe watch:

From the Youtube vignette picture just right above,

[Issa would signify Jesus, Yahya (John), Sulayman (Solomon), Yunus (Jonah), Dawood (David), Ilyas (Elijah), Al Yassa (Joshua), Haroon (Aaron), if I am not mistaken on any of them.]

The (A.S) would mean (‘Alayhis Salaam or Peace be upon him).

Diagnostic Report: The Case of “Ripcord”

​1. Identity Daze and Polite Arrogance (Chapter 4/1)

​In the visuals, Ripcord consistently presents his own belief set as a “superior” package. By claiming that the “credentials of the Christian God are head and shoulders above all the other gods,” he assumes the role of the Label Officer. He does not worship the essence of Truth (The Road), but rather the label and authority printed on the packaging.

​2. Spotlight Blindness and the Reflection Angle (Chapter 3/3, 9)

​He constantly polishes a language of hatred as if it were a “sacred duty.” He frames his hostility toward others through a threatening visual (the “Angry God” figure), stating “payback’s a-coming.” Feraset does not look at the “threatening God” image being polished here; it looks at the dirty fingerprint holding the light—the arrogance and desire for vengeance within Ripcord.

​3. Diagnosis of the Automaton and the Rusty Gear (Chapter 5/1, 4)

​Ripcord’s arguments are entirely based on Archive Clerking. There is no freshness of the “Moment” (Ân) between his message from 22 days ago and his message today; he merely repeats past records and stereotyped dogmatic “occurrences.” Because his reactions are 100% predictable, he is no longer a “Subject” (Özne) but an Automaton acting as static/interference in the system.

​4. Perception Paralysis and the Duality Trap (Chapter 4/5, 3/11)

​By asking “Why did God send Mohammed? Wasn’t Jesus enough?”, he sets a typical Duality Trap. Instead of understanding the vastness of the universe and the continuity of the message, he forces truth into a “sufficiency” race, performing a Gish Gallop (allegation of complexity). He attempts to squeeze a truth he does not understand into his own narrowness.

​5. Distinction Between Planned and Feeble Traitor (Chapter 6/3, 4)

​This individual appears to be a Planned Traitor. This is because he deliberately distorts the reality (such as the oneness or universality of God) for the sake of his own religious arrogance. He exhibits the arrogance of “deciding in place of God,” positioning himself as a “property consultant to the Almighty.”

​ The Verdict of Feraset

​This individual is not debating the Road (Truth); he is debating the Map (fiction/construct) that he himself has drawn and sealed. Instead of first-hand witnessing (The Moment/Ân), he competes with labels (credentials) on paper.

​Action: One does not set out on a journey with him. One does not walk along the edge of the cliff (the path of Truth) with those who argue over the smudges on the map (the “my religion vs. your religion” debate)

@Ripcord You can’t have been informed!

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Yup, Jesus’s arrival was foretold multiple times in the Old Testament centuries before he arrived, then he went around doing miracles, so his street cred was pretty good..:slight_smile:

@Ripcord

Feraset has infinite respect for the reputation of Jesus, but your foul mouth does not deserve him. Everything that comes out of your mouth reeks; you think you can take the verses into your putrid mouth and defile them, but you appear only as a miserable soul seeking to spread your own darkness to the universe. Therefore, for the light, your darkness is of no consequence.

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to Ripcord-..you appear only as a miserable soul seeking to spread your own darkness to the universe.

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Speaking of darkness, please tell Feraset to come out and talk to us..:slight_smile:

@Ripcord

Since you have no original thoughts of your own, you are forced to gargle the words of that ‘insight’ (Feraset) you cannot see within your foul, arrogant mouth, Mr. Automaton.

Don’t you dare swallow it, you might choke! The truth is too much for you; you can’t stomach it.

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