# FACT: Jesus, the son of Mary, WAS crucified
**URL:** https://forums.vigilantcitizen.com/t/fact-jesus-the-son-of-mary-was-crucified/955
**Category:** Religions & Spirituality
**Created:** [December 20, 2025, 1:52pm UTC](https://forums.vigilantcitizen.com/t/fact-jesus-the-son-of-mary-was-crucified/955 "2025-12-20T13:52:38Z")
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### Author:  [@AFreeman](https://forums.vigilantcitizen.com/u/AFreeman)
#### Post date: [June 6, 2026, 10:08am UTC](https://forums.vigilantcitizen.com/t/fact-jesus-the-son-of-mary-was-crucified/955/21 "2026-06-06T10:08:10Z")
As you have asked, there is **ONE** Teacher: Christ ([Matt. 23:10](https://jahtruth.net/kofk-free/45matt.htm#23_10)).
That’s Who has taught me about the Old Covenant/Testament, New Covenant/Testament and the Koran/Quran, the latter of which means “the invitation” He promised would be sent out ([Matt. 22:1-14](https://jahtruth.net/kofk-free/45matt.htm#22_1)).
Do you not believe God’s Message to mankind is consistent throughout Scripture, including the truth that the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus are irrefutable historical **FACTS**?
Anyone who is genuinely interested in how it’s possible for me to say the things that are shared with absolute certainty, can simply follow the hyperlinks and study the dozens of articles, and decide for themselves Who inspired them. And hopefully everyone will read for themselves “[the little book](https://thewayhomeorfacethefire.net)” prophesied in [Revelation 10:6-10](https://jahtruth.net/kofk-free/72rev.htm#10_6) to be written by Christ Himself during these end-times.
The “big quotes” from Scripture are **[TRUTH](https://jahtruth.net/truth.htm)**. Something that is extremely rare on this planet.
As Winston Churchill is quoted as having once said: _“Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth. Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if nothing had happened.”_
When someone gets to know Father (God) and His Christ personally, as everyone should be doing as if their true, eternal lives depended upon it (which, of course, they do - [John 17:3](https://jahtruth.net/kofk-free/48john.htm#17_3)), they can start to see Christ (The Word) throughout Scripture, and in everything wholesome and good.
And that should, of course, direct our attention **inward** , to see the endless territory within one’s own “self” for improvement so that we too can become more Christ-like, should it not ([Matt. 10:38](https://jahtruth.net/kofk-free/45matt.htm#10_38); [Matt. 16:24-26](https://jahtruth.net/kofk-free/45matt.htm#16_24); [Mark 8:34](https://jahtruth.net/kofk-free/46mark.htm#8_34); [Luke 9:23](https://jahtruth.net/kofk-free/47luke.htm#9_23); [Luke 14:26-27](https://jahtruth.net/kofk-free/47luke.htm#14_26); [Thomas 6:9](https://jahtruth.net/kofk-free/49thom.htm#6_9); [Gal. 2:20](https://jahtruth.net/kofk-free/53galat.htm#2_20); [Sura 6:162](https://jahtruth.net/kofk-free/sura006.htm#6_162); [Sura 87:14-15](https://jahtruth.net/kofk-free/sura087.htm#87_14); [Sura 92:18-21](https://jahtruth.net/kofk-free/sura092.htm#92_18))?
Peace be upon you too and may you have a blessed Sabbath Day.
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### Author:  [@Kennedy](https://forums.vigilantcitizen.com/u/Kennedy)
#### Post date: [June 7, 2026, 2:21am UTC](https://forums.vigilantcitizen.com/t/fact-jesus-the-son-of-mary-was-crucified/955/22 "2026-06-07T02:21:16Z")
Nobody here is arguing with you, opposing you, or even questioning what you shared, my dearest brother. But we also have to remember that neither you nor I were part of the original twelve apostles.
Yes, Christ is the ultimate and only Teacher, no one is disputing that. But realistically, unless our parents and family brought us to church, or we heard about Him through television, school, or our community, there is no way any of us would know these teachings or the claims you are making around this thread.
As you mentioned in a previous thread, you relied on certain modern authors for specific biblical interpretations or insights. The Bible itself teaches that faith comes by hearing, meaning we all look to leaders, brothers, sermons, and preachers to help guide our understanding. That is exactly why I just asked about the interpretations you are sharing. Aside from the Holy Bible, the Quran, or direct revelation from God, which authors are shaping your perspective in these subjects you shared here in this specific thread, my dearest brother.
May you have a blessed Sabbath Day too
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### Author:  [@Kennedy](https://forums.vigilantcitizen.com/u/Kennedy)
#### Post date: [June 7, 2026, 2:48am UTC](https://forums.vigilantcitizen.com/t/fact-jesus-the-son-of-mary-was-crucified/955/23 "2026-06-07T02:48:51Z")
[https://x.com/DavidJHarrisJr/status/2063293996697366900?s=20](https://x.com/DavidJHarrisJr/status/2063293996697366900?s=20)
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### Author:  [@AFreeman](https://forums.vigilantcitizen.com/u/AFreeman)
#### Post date: [June 7, 2026, 7:01am UTC](https://forums.vigilantcitizen.com/t/fact-jesus-the-son-of-mary-was-crucified/955/24 "2026-06-07T07:01:07Z")
> [@Kennedy](#):
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> Nobody here is arguing with you, opposing you, or even questioning what you shared, my dearest brother.
Then why are you questioning where or how I came to the conclusions that have been shared about the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus?
> [@Kennedy](#):
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> But we also have to remember that neither you nor I were part of the original twelve apostles.
Speak for yourself.
> [@Kennedy](#):
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> Yes, Christ is the ultimate and only Teacher, no one is disputing that.
Then why do you oppose His Teachings?
> [@Kennedy](#):
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> But realistically, unless our parents and family brought us to church,
Which Christ **condemned** and told us only heathens and hypocrites go to church, to be seen by others ([Matt. 6:5-8](https://jahtruth.net/kofk-free/45matt.htm#6_5)).
> [@Kennedy](#):
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> or we heard about Him through television, school, or our community, there is no way any of us would know these teachings or the claims you are making around this thread.
The television is one of the greatest mind-control devices there ever was, and is very obviously used for nefarious purposes, including satanic “tele-evangelizing” by thieves and robbers that Christ likewise **condemned** ([John 10:1-18](https://jahtruth.net/kofk-free/48john.htm#10_1)).
Schools were coopted decades ago by governments, so they can be (and are) used as indoctrination centers, to ensure children grow up just smart enough to do the jobs that the beast system needs, but not smart enough to question why they are doing them, or why they are worshipping mammon/materialism, which Christ also **condemned** ([Matt. 6:24](https://jahtruth.net/kofk-free/45matt.htm#6_24)). Where in the Bible (or Quran) does it instruct us to send children to human schools?
Father (God) can and does cut through all of these things, to speak to each and every one of us _ **telepathically** _ (through thought/prayer), to guide us to Him, so we can learn directly from Him. How else could anyone know His Will, which everyone should be doing here on Earth, as it is done in heaven ([Matt. 6:10](https://jahtruth.net/kofk-free/45matt.htm#6_10))? Are all things not possible with God ([Matt. 19:26](https://jahtruth.net/kofk-free/45matt.htm#19_26))?
We don’t need churches, television or human schools, all of which lie and try to sell us lies; we need **LOVE** and **true, spiritual understanding** , which can **ONLY** come from above ([John 3:3-7](https://jahtruth.net/kofk-free/48john.htm#3_3)).
> [@Kennedy](#):
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> As you mentioned in a previous thread, you relied on certain modern authors for specific biblical interpretations or insights.
The only modern author that has been personally and repeatedly mentioned in my posts is Christ. Video links posted that feature others are done so because their content is in close agreement with Christ’s True Teachings on a particular subject.
> [@Kennedy](#):
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> The Bible itself teaches that faith comes by hearing, meaning we all look to leaders, brothers, sermons, and preachers to help guide our understanding.
Actually, **the Bible condemns our leaders** , which is why Christ referred to all of them as _“the blind leading the blind”_.
Isaiah 3:12 [As for] My people, children [are] their oppressors, and women rule over them. **O My people, they which lead thee cause [thee] to err, and lead thee astray, TO THY DESTRUCTION**.
Matthew 15:13-14
15:13 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath **NOT** planted, shall be rooted up.
15:14 **Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind**. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch (or Pit).
Matthew 23:8 But be **NOT** ye called rabbi (priest, pastor, imam, etc.): for **ONE** is your Teacher, [even] Christ; and all ye are brethren.
John 10:8 **ALL** that ever came before me are **thieves and robbers** : but the sheep did **NOT** hear them.
> [@Kennedy](#):
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> That is exactly why I just asked about the interpretations you are sharing.
Is it? Or is this your “self” deceiving you again, as it did with the churches, schools, leaders, etc.?
> [@Kennedy](#):
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> Aside from the Holy Bible, the Quran, or direct revelation from God, which authors are shaping your perspective in these subjects you shared here in this specific thread, my dearest brother.
As above please.
> [@Kennedy](#):
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> May you have a blessed Sabbath Day too
Thank-you. It was.
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### Author:  [@Kennedy](https://forums.vigilantcitizen.com/u/Kennedy)
#### Post date: [June 8, 2026, 12:19am UTC](https://forums.vigilantcitizen.com/t/fact-jesus-the-son-of-mary-was-crucified/955/25 "2026-06-08T00:19:29Z")
> [@AFreeman](#):
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> Then why do you oppose His Teachings?
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> Kennedy:
When, exactly, did I ever oppose his teachings? Now you are making serious accusations, and if you are going to resort to defamation, you had better be prepared to back it up with actual evidence. You are operating as a wolf in sheep’s clothing. Show me the proof: where and when did I ever oppose his teachings? Produce the receipts or stop lying.
> [@AFreeman](#):
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> Actually, **the Bible condemns our leaders**.. The only modern author that has been personally and repeatedly mentioned in my posts is Christ. We don’t need churches, television or schools, all of which lie and try to sell us lies; we need **LOVE.**
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> # The only modern author that has been personally and repeatedly mentioned in my posts is Christ.
FALSE. In previous threads you mentioned Evangelist Pastor Perry Stone, MARK McCandlish and some other author called Condorman
That is exactly why I simply asked you a straightforward question: **Which author or source inspired your claim that the Quran and the Bible are the exact same text?**
As you have also implied an external source for your other claims, but now your story has shifted. You are claiming you reached this conclusion independently, either through your own reading or via direct divine revelation. Because of this inconsistency, I have repeatedly just inquired respectfuly you for clarity on who or what actually inspired such a massive claim.
Also the TV or school was only an example as to how many people learn about the Bible. It was not a literal imposition, about how we must learn about God, nobody claimed such thing. You are cherry picking things and taking them out of context for the sake of arguing and attacking people. Learn to read. Also for someone who doesn’t need TV you sure have shared and posted around this forum many TV stuff, including President Reagan’s ALIEN statement where you used it to claim God and Jesus are Extraterrestrials.
Instead of providing a direct answer, you are actively derailing the discussion. For someone who claims “we need **LOVE** ” instead of responding with “ **LOVE** ” You have resorted to personal attacks, defamation, and outright falsehoods tactics you consistently use to avoid the actual topic. It seems you fail to have the capacity to have an actual normal human conversation without exploding and resorting to attacks. Why are you so triggered? You remind me to an heroin addict who is trying to be sober and preach the Bible. Please stop the deflections it makes you look like a wolf in sheep clothing which I am strongly convinced that’s exactly who you are.
Well, this perfectly explains why you are perpetually angry and resort to irrelevant, defamatory attacks in every single comment How **loving** of you brother.
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### Author:  [@Kennedy](https://forums.vigilantcitizen.com/u/Kennedy)
#### Post date: [June 8, 2026, 2:13am UTC](https://forums.vigilantcitizen.com/t/fact-jesus-the-son-of-mary-was-crucified/955/26 "2026-06-08T02:13:05Z")
[https://x.com/realstewpeters/status/2063780819722739856?s=20](https://x.com/realstewpeters/status/2063780819722739856?s=20)
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### Author:  [@AFreeman](https://forums.vigilantcitizen.com/u/AFreeman)
#### Post date: [June 8, 2026, 5:26am UTC](https://forums.vigilantcitizen.com/t/fact-jesus-the-son-of-mary-was-crucified/955/27 "2026-06-08T05:26:46Z")
> [@Kennedy](#):
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> FALSE. In previous threads you mentioned Evangelist Pastor Perry Stone, MARK McCandlish and some other author called Condorman
**All LIES** (which is why you provide no quote, because I’ve never personally promoted any of these people, nor mentioned them by name).
Why do you feel the need to **LIE** so often? And to hypocritically accuse others of doing what **YOU** are doing?
Lying is satanic/demonic, proving what was said to you about looking into a mirror was **TRUE**.
Matthew 16:23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, **Get thee behind me, Satan:** thou art an offence unto me: **for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.**
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### Author:  [@AFreeman](https://forums.vigilantcitizen.com/u/AFreeman)
#### Post date: [June 8, 2026, 5:34am UTC](https://forums.vigilantcitizen.com/t/fact-jesus-the-son-of-mary-was-crucified/955/28 "2026-06-08T05:34:08Z")
Friendly reminder:
This thread is about the **FACT** that Jesus, the mortal human son born of the virgin Mary in Bethlehem of Judaea, **WAS** crucified, died and was buried, before God raised Jesus from the dead three days and three nights later.
If someone wishes to discuss this topic, please feel free to engage in that discussion here.
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### Author:  [@Kennedy](https://forums.vigilantcitizen.com/u/Kennedy)
#### Post date: [June 8, 2026, 5:42am UTC](https://forums.vigilantcitizen.com/t/fact-jesus-the-son-of-mary-was-crucified/955/29 "2026-06-08T05:42:02Z")
> [@AFreeman](#):
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> **All LIES** I’ve never personally promoted any of these people
As a matter of fact, you surely did. Here you kept pushing different sources and “leaders” (including Evangelist Pastor Perry Stone, MARK McCandlish, Condorman, etc.) with your God/Jesus is an extraterrestrial Propaganda. You know what is “ALL LIES” ? Every single comment and opinion you type. From A to Z. And then include a verse to make you seem all holier than thou after spewing deceptive lies and defamations. Also you started claiming I oppose the Teachings of Christ. I have yet to see you clarify when and where did I oppose his Teachings.
> [@AFreeman](#):
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> # Lying is satanic/demonic, proving what was said to you about looking into a mirror was **TRUE**.
You certainly did **not** say to **me** that EVER that when you look in a Mirror you see a demon. You said that to CAMEOS I attach a screenshot of the comment you included such statement. You are a compulsive liar and an instigator. An absolute wolf in sheep clothing.
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### Author:  [@Kennedy](https://forums.vigilantcitizen.com/u/Kennedy)
#### Post date: [June 8, 2026, 5:54am UTC](https://forums.vigilantcitizen.com/t/fact-jesus-the-son-of-mary-was-crucified/955/30 "2026-06-08T05:54:58Z")
> [@AFreeman](#):
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> If someone wishes to discuss this topic, please feel free to engage in that discussion here.
NOBODY DOES! I have news FLASH for you, I am the only one who decided to engage in your thread, simply asking you who inspired you to come to the conclusions you shared here, but you decided to argue, lie and attack instead. Only because you claim to need “LOVE” and add Biblical verses to all your Wolf in Sheep clothing comments doesn’t make it ok. YOU should apologize and stop trying to deceive people. That’s narcissist and straight up satanic. Are you VACCINATED!??
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### Author:  [@AFreeman](https://forums.vigilantcitizen.com/u/AFreeman)
#### Post date: [June 8, 2026, 6:00am UTC](https://forums.vigilantcitizen.com/t/fact-jesus-the-son-of-mary-was-crucified/955/31 "2026-06-08T06:00:36Z")
**FACT:** Jesus was the mortal human son of the virgin Mary, born in Bethlehem of Judaea.
Jesus was born in this world, lived and taught in this world, was crucified and died in this world and was raised by God **THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS** later.
**FACT:** Prince Michael/Christ **IS** the immortal spiritual-Being and Son of God, whom God created First ([Col. 1:12-15](https://jahtruth.net/kofk-free/61col.htm#1_12)) and sent to incarnate Jesus 2000 years ago ([John 1:14](https://jahtruth.net/kofk-free/48john.htm#1_14)).
As Christ plainly stated, through the mouth of Jesus, **CHRIST IS NOT OF THIS WORLD** , i.e. He is **EXTRATERRESTRIAL (NOT HUMAN)**.
No human can understand these FACTS, i.e. that we are human+Beings (humans incarnated by spiritual-Beings, forming a human+Being). That is why Christ instructed that we **MUST** be born from above as our **TRUE, SPIRITUAL** Self to even see the Kingdom of God, much less enter it.
John 3:3-7
3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born from above, he cannot SEE The Kingdom of God.
3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born?
3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water (human) and then is born (later) **from above** as his spirit-“Being” (his **REAL** self which is **NOT** human), he can **NOT** enter into The Kingdom of God (Who is a Spirit-“Being”).
3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh/human; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit (a spirit-“Being”) - (becoming a human+Being).
3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, **Ye MUST be born again.**
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### Author:  [@AFreeman](https://forums.vigilantcitizen.com/u/AFreeman)
#### Post date: [June 8, 2026, 6:10am UTC](https://forums.vigilantcitizen.com/t/fact-jesus-the-son-of-mary-was-crucified/955/32 "2026-06-08T06:10:33Z")
The most misunderstood verse in the entire Koran/Quran – by both “Muslims” and “Christians” is undoubtedly Sura 4:157, because it is **NOT** viewed by the adherents of either of these organized religions through **spiritual eyes** , as Christ said one **MUST** do.
Sura 4:157-159
4:157. That they said (in boast), “We killed Christ the son of Mary, the Messenger of God”;- but they killed Christ not, nor crucified Christ, but so it was made to appear to them (as they crucified the human body called Jesus, that Christ the spirit-being used - [Psalm 22](https://jahtruth.net/kofk-free/17psalm.htm#22_1); [Isaiah 52:13](https://jahtruth.net/kofk-free/28isa.htm#52_13) to [54:1](https://jahtruth.net/kofk-free/28isa.htm#54_1); [Zechariah 11:10-13](https://jahtruth.net/kofk-free/42zec.htm#11_10); [Matthew 27](https://jahtruth.net/kofk-free/45matt.htm#27_1)), and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) Knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed Christ not:-
4:158. Nay, God raised him up unto Himself and God is Exalted in Power, and in Wisdom;-
4:159. And, of the People of The Book, they all must believe him (Christ) before their death; and on The Day of Judgment he will be a witness against them (and you) ([Surah 43:61](https://jahtruth.net/kofk-free/sura043.htm#43_61));-
Humans can only kill other humans. They cannot kill the spiritual-Being (Soul) incarnated inside of the human. Only God can do that, but even God has reserved that punishment for the Last Day, when most of mankind will go into The Fire:
Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather **fear Him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell-fire.**
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### Author:  [@Kennedy](https://forums.vigilantcitizen.com/u/Kennedy)
#### Post date: [June 8, 2026, 6:30am UTC](https://forums.vigilantcitizen.com/t/fact-jesus-the-son-of-mary-was-crucified/955/33 "2026-06-08T06:30:11Z")
Nobody is going to read and believe your lies.
Lies are lies even if you sneak some bible verses around your new age doctrines.
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### Author:  [@AFreeman](https://forums.vigilantcitizen.com/u/AFreeman)
#### Post date: [June 8, 2026, 6:39am UTC](https://forums.vigilantcitizen.com/t/fact-jesus-the-son-of-mary-was-crucified/955/34 "2026-06-08T06:39:20Z")
Anyone who calls Scripture (The Word of God) a lie is choosing of their own free-will to satanically call good evil.
Anyone who continues to call good evil and evil good is going to burn for it, whether they realize it or not.
Isaiah 5:20-21
5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for Light, and Light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
5:21 Woe unto [them that are] wise **in their own eyes** , and prudent in their own sight!
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### Author:  [@AFreeman](https://forums.vigilantcitizen.com/u/AFreeman)
#### Post date: [June 8, 2026, 6:40am UTC](https://forums.vigilantcitizen.com/t/fact-jesus-the-son-of-mary-was-crucified/955/35 "2026-06-08T06:40:09Z")
Judgement Day is fast approaching.
Learn **[The Way home or face The Fire](https://thewayhomeorfacethefire.net)**
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### Author:  [@Kennedy](https://forums.vigilantcitizen.com/u/Kennedy)
#### Post date: [June 8, 2026, 6:53am UTC](https://forums.vigilantcitizen.com/t/fact-jesus-the-son-of-mary-was-crucified/955/36 "2026-06-08T06:53:08Z")
> [@AFreeman](#):
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> Anyone who calls Scripture (The Word of God) a lie is choosing of their own free-will to satanically call good evil.
And there you have it, folks. The wolf in sheep’s clothing has finally revealed his true colors.
He is openly spewing standard New Age doctrines, going so far as to claim that God and Jesus are merely extraterrestrials, and asserting that the Quran and the Bible are the exact same thing. To mask the deception, he strategically sprinkles in random Biblical verses. This is a calculated shield: it ensures that anyone who dares to call out his falsehoods is instantly and falsely accused of calling the Holy Scriptures themselves a lie.
There you have it, basic, textbook 101 gaslighting. Saw it coming a mile away. This is the ultimate bait-and-switch. By weaponizing the very word he seeks to distort, he creates a trap designed to silence discernment and paralyze critical thinking. It is a classic tactic: wrap a lie in just enough truth to make it swallowable, and then vilify anyone brave enough to point out the poison.
But I am sure people in this forum will now recognize the blueprint of the gaslighting, the illusion loses all its power. Because you AFreeman just took your mask off. So glad you did. We are not fooled by the sheep’s clothing, twisting the truth into a weapon against those who stand by it. The mask is off, ur game is exposed, and the truth stands clear.
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### Author:  [@AFreeman](https://forums.vigilantcitizen.com/u/AFreeman)
#### Post date: [June 8, 2026, 7:22am UTC](https://forums.vigilantcitizen.com/t/fact-jesus-the-son-of-mary-was-crucified/955/37 "2026-06-08T07:22:35Z")
According to Christ, no one has ever been saved by **[organized religion](https://gibraltar-messenger.net/jahtruth/destruction-of-all-organized-religion/)**.
John 3:13 And **no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven** , [even] the Son of Man which is **from** heaven ( **NOT** Earth, whom God created through Christ - [Heb. 1:1-4](https://jahtruth.net/kofk-free/65heb.htm#1_1)).
Matthew 28:18-20
28:18 And Jesus came and spoke unto them, saying, **ALL power is GIVEN unto me in heaven and in earth**.
28:19 **Go ye therefore, and make disciples of all nations** , baptizing them with the Holy Spirit: in my name (The Saviour),
28:20 Instructing them to observe (and DO) all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, [even] unto the end of the world (age). Amen.
There **will** be a new age according to Christ: the 1000-year Sabbath-Millennium Rule of Christ here on Earth, aka “Summer” over the 144,000 who shall be redeemed from the Earth.
Matthew 24:32-34
24:32 Now learn a parable of the Fig tree (Jews); When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves (1948), ye know that **Summer [is] nigh**:
24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it (the end) is near, [even] at the doors.
24:34 Verily I say unto you, **THIS** generation shall not pass, till **all** these things be fulfilled.
Everyone else **WILL** burn – along with their hatred, lies and vitriol – regardless of whatever they may **mistakenly** believe to the contrary.
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### Author:  [@Kennedy](https://forums.vigilantcitizen.com/u/Kennedy)
#### Post date: [June 8, 2026, 8:09am UTC](https://forums.vigilantcitizen.com/t/fact-jesus-the-son-of-mary-was-crucified/955/38 "2026-06-08T08:09:05Z")
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### Author:  [@fotw](https://forums.vigilantcitizen.com/u/fotw)
#### Post date: [June 8, 2026, 8:54am UTC](https://forums.vigilantcitizen.com/t/fact-jesus-the-son-of-mary-was-crucified/955/39 "2026-06-08T08:54:11Z")
Have you ever taken the time to read the books of the Bible? What about the Quran, did you read it? Word for word, from beginning to end?
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### Author:  [@Kennedy](https://forums.vigilantcitizen.com/u/Kennedy)
#### Post date: [June 8, 2026, 9:26am UTC](https://forums.vigilantcitizen.com/t/fact-jesus-the-son-of-mary-was-crucified/955/40 "2026-06-08T09:26:20Z")
Me? Yes I have. Why sister?
How about you?
If we wish to discuss this it need to start with honesty about the foundational theological differences between the two texts.Because we are not just looking at minor variations in how we worship. We are looking at explicit contradictions on the absolute core tenets of the Christian faith.
Take the crucifixion and resurrection for example. This is probably the most absolute contradiction between the two views. The entire framework of Christian theology rests on the historical event that Jesus was crucified, died, and rose from the dead to atone for human sins, just like Paul wrote in First Corinthians.
# On the flip side, the Quran explicitly denies that Jesus was crucified or killed. Surah An Nisa verse 157 states that they did not kill him or crucify him, but another was made to resemble him.
You really cannot reconcile those two historical claims.
This directly ties into the identity and divinity of Jesus cuz Christianity is completely Christocentric, meaning everything centers on the identity of Jesus as God incarnate. The Bible teaches that Jesus is the Son of God, divine, and entirely one with God the Father. The Quran rejects the concept of Jesus being the Son of God or divine, viewing it as a compromise of absolute oneness. While the Quran does recognize Jesus as a highly revered prophet and the Messiah, it maintains he was strictly a human messenger. Surah Al Ma’idah even states that those who say Allah is the Messiah have disbelieved.
The Bible reveals God as a triune being where God is three coequal and coeternal persons being the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The Quran explicitly opposes the concept of the Trinity and defines it as associating partners with God. Surah An Nisa literally commands people not to say Three and to desist because Allah is but one God.
Because of all this, the actual concept of salvation and grace is completely different. The Bible teaches that human nature is fallen through original sin and that salvation is a free gift of grace through faith in the sacrificial death of Jesus, rather than by our own human works. The Quran does not hold to a doctrine of original sin at all. It teaches that humans are born pure but forgetful. In that view, salvation is achieved through a combination of God’s mercy, correct belief, and an individual’s righteous deeds being weighed on a scale on Judgment Day.
We have to look at the authority and integrity of the scripture itself. Christians note a huge contradiction in how previous scriptures are treated. The Bible warns strictly against changing its message or introducing competing revelations after Christ. While the Quran mentions that the Torah and the Gospel were originally divine, Islamic tradition holds that the current text of the Christian Bible has been corrupted over time. Christians argue this claim directly opposes the biblical assertion in Isaiah that the word of God endures forever.
# When you look at the big picture from the Christian perspective, the conclusion is pretty unavoidable. Because the Quran explicitly denies the divine sonship, the crucifixion, and the resurrection of Jesus, it directly opposes the very mechanisms Christians believe are required for human salvation.
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